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Posted by Steve Lusardi on October 7, 2008, 3:06 pm
Occasionally I read queries made by non-hvac professionals seeking advice
from many of you that are professionals. Most of the replies accuse the
poster of either wanting something for nothing or accuse the poster of
ignorance. This is confusing to me as to why the professional should think
the consumer has the same understanding of the subject as themselves and at
same time explain the complexity and technical challenges the trade demands
and at the same time, ask for their respect because you practice it. I
understand the old saying "Buyers beware!" and it certainly is true. Why
then, would it not be more appropriate to educate the consumer of what
questions they should be asking of an hvac contractor and a little education
on how to evaluate the answers, the potential pitfalls they face and the
value the professional in the trade offers for the money that is charged.
Like all trades, there are folks out there just ready to take their money
and not deliver the required system or service and advertise their service
as a bargain. Effectively, you folks should be more tolerant of ignorance.
Please explain the rules and in many cases, the law.
Steve.
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Posted by on October 7, 2008, 3:15 pm
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:06:58 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
>Occasionally I read queries made by non-hvac professionals seeking advice
>from many of you that are professionals. Most of the replies accuse the
>poster of either wanting something for nothing or accuse the poster of
>ignorance. This is confusing to me as to why the professional should think
>the consumer has the same understanding of the subject as themselves and at
>same time explain the complexity and technical challenges the trade demands
>and at the same time, ask for their respect because you practice it. I
>understand the old saying "Buyers beware!" and it certainly is true. Why
>then, would it not be more appropriate to educate the consumer of what
>questions they should be asking of an hvac contractor and a little education
>on how to evaluate the answers, the potential pitfalls they face and the
>value the professional in the trade offers for the money that is charged.
>Like all trades, there are folks out there just ready to take their money
>and not deliver the required system or service and advertise their service
>as a bargain. Effectively, you folks should be more tolerant of ignorance.
>Please explain the rules and in many cases, the law.
>Steve.
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Posted by Steve on October 7, 2008, 3:20 pm
> Occasionally I read queries made by non-hvac professionals seeking advice
> from many of you that are professionals. Most of the replies accuse the
> poster of either wanting something for nothing or accuse the poster of
> ignorance. This is confusing to me as to why the professional should think
> the consumer has the same understanding of the subject as themselves and
> at same time explain the complexity and technical challenges the trade
> demands and at the same time, ask for their respect because you practice
> it. I understand the old saying "Buyers beware!" and it certainly is true.
> Why then, would it not be more appropriate to educate the consumer of what
> questions they should be asking of an hvac contractor and a little
> education on how to evaluate the answers, the potential pitfalls they face
> and the value the professional in the trade offers for the money that is
> charged. Like all trades, there are folks out there just ready to take
> their money and not deliver the required system or service and advertise
> their service as a bargain. Effectively, you folks should be more tolerant
> of ignorance. Please explain the rules and in many cases, the law.
> Steve.
Maybe you should hang out here for 10 or so years, and see the same
questions, day in and day out. Most of which should be answered by their
local tech because we can't *SEE* it through the computer screen. Then there
are all those who when we tell them the truth and what they *NEED* to hear,
its not what they *WANT* to hear. Then they get their panties in a bunch,
and hang around here just to stir up shit. Or the idiots that got charged an
OT service call because they didn't change the air filter, and those who try
to tell us that what we told them is wrong.... etc.
Lets not forget the folks that went to the big box store and bought a new
thermostat because the sys tem was broken... when it had absolutely nothing
to do with the thermostat...or thefolks that bought the new thermostat and
want us to spoon feed them (sight unseen) on how to wire up and program
their new stat..... or the ones that put the stat on and nothing works
anymore because they shorted wires and fried the transformer.... or the EEs
that figure they know everything and try to reinvent the wheel, then screw
up their whole system in the process.....
Do you want more???
Sufice it to say that 99% of the time they should have called the local tech
in the first place.
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on October 7, 2008, 4:06 pm
I've also been noticing that a few of the posters are chanelling the spirit
of Dogbert the consultant. "How may I abuse you today".
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Occasionally I read queries made by non-hvac professionals seeking advice
from many of you that are professionals. Most of the replies accuse the
poster of either wanting something for nothing or accuse the poster of
ignorance. This is confusing to me as to why the professional should think
the consumer has the same understanding of the subject as themselves and at
same time explain the complexity and technical challenges the trade demands
and at the same time, ask for their respect because you practice it. I
understand the old saying "Buyers beware!" and it certainly is true. Why
then, would it not be more appropriate to educate the consumer of what
questions they should be asking of an hvac contractor and a little education
on how to evaluate the answers, the potential pitfalls they face and the
value the professional in the trade offers for the money that is charged.
Like all trades, there are folks out there just ready to take their money
and not deliver the required system or service and advertise their service
as a bargain. Effectively, you folks should be more tolerant of ignorance.
Please explain the rules and in many cases, the law.
Steve.
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Posted by Steve on October 7, 2008, 6:38 pm
Moron.... you sound like Charlie Browns teacher.
> I've also been noticing that a few of the posters are chanelling the
> spirit
> of Dogbert the consultant. "How may I abuse you today".
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
> Occasionally I read queries made by non-hvac professionals seeking advice
> from many of you that are professionals. Most of the replies accuse the
> poster of either wanting something for nothing or accuse the poster of
> ignorance. This is confusing to me as to why the professional should think
> the consumer has the same understanding of the subject as themselves and
> at
> same time explain the complexity and technical challenges the trade
> demands
> and at the same time, ask for their respect because you practice it. I
> understand the old saying "Buyers beware!" and it certainly is true. Why
> then, would it not be more appropriate to educate the consumer of what
> questions they should be asking of an hvac contractor and a little
> education
> on how to evaluate the answers, the potential pitfalls they face and the
> value the professional in the trade offers for the money that is charged.
> Like all trades, there are folks out there just ready to take their money
> and not deliver the required system or service and advertise their service
> as a bargain. Effectively, you folks should be more tolerant of ignorance.
> Please explain the rules and in many cases, the law.
> Steve.
>
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>from many of you that are professionals. Most of the replies accuse the
>poster of either wanting something for nothing or accuse the poster of
>ignorance. This is confusing to me as to why the professional should think
>the consumer has the same understanding of the subject as themselves and at
>same time explain the complexity and technical challenges the trade demands
>and at the same time, ask for their respect because you practice it. I
>understand the old saying "Buyers beware!" and it certainly is true. Why
>then, would it not be more appropriate to educate the consumer of what
>questions they should be asking of an hvac contractor and a little education
>on how to evaluate the answers, the potential pitfalls they face and the
>value the professional in the trade offers for the money that is charged.
>Like all trades, there are folks out there just ready to take their money
>and not deliver the required system or service and advertise their service
>as a bargain. Effectively, you folks should be more tolerant of ignorance.
>Please explain the rules and in many cases, the law.
>Steve.