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Copper tubing Geoman 04-24-2007
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Posted by Bubba on April 25, 2007, 7:49 am
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:28:04 -0800, "Jeffrey Lebowski"

>
>> Geoman wrote:
>>
>> > Quoting a job with 2-1/8 inch copper tubing. One stick of 20 feet was
>quoted
>> > @ $ 240.40
>> > Need 20 pieces plus fittings and liquid lines, $5860 just in copper for
>400
>> > feet of copper!
>> >
>> > Amazing, I quoted the whole job two years ago for $6500 installed, now
>that
>> > won't even cover the copper and brackets.
>> >
>> > If you bought any copper lately let me know what you paid before I
>wonder
>> > out for more quotes.
>> >
>> > 20 foot refrigeration copper prices
>> > 2- 1/8 $ 241.60 (a Tee is $13)
>> > 1- 5/8 153.41
>> > 1- 3/8 119.76
>> > 7/8 61.66
>> > 5/8 39.29
>> >
>> >
>> > Ps, Paul, just received your email, will get back with you tomorrow,
>I've
>> > got to get these quotes out.
>> >
>> > Later all
>> > Rich
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> It's probably not so much that copper is getting dearer as that
>
>Speculative investing...but fwiw, the bubble appears to be bursting :
>
>http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/CP/M
>
>
>> the dollar is cheapening.
>
>Why gasoline has gone up..
>
>Sadly, and with the mass exportation of manufacturing capacity this leaves
>us precious little in the way of exported goods to trade for to get those
>dollars back.
>
>
>> You can't throw a trillion dollars out in the
>> desert to burn in the sun and expect them to maintain their value.
>>
Why gasoline has gone up..
Because they can and NO other reason.
Its not Katrina or a rusted distrubition line or shortages or anything
else. Its high because they can. Greedy Bastards and we cant do a
thing about it.
Bubba

Posted by on April 25, 2007, 1:06 am

> Quoting a job with 2-1/8 inch copper tubing. One stick of 20 feet was
quoted
> @ $ 240.40
> Need 20 pieces plus fittings and liquid lines, $5860 just in copper for
400
> feet of copper!
>
> Amazing, I quoted the whole job two years ago for $6500 installed, now
that
> won't even cover the copper and brackets.
>
> If you bought any copper lately let me know what you paid before I wonder
> out for more quotes.
>
> 20 foot refrigeration copper prices
> 2- 1/8 $ 241.60 (a Tee is $13)
> 1- 5/8 153.41
> 1- 3/8 119.76
> 7/8 61.66
> 5/8 39.29
>
>
> Ps, Paul, just received your email, will get back with you tomorrow, I've
> got to get these quotes out.
>
> Later all
> Rich


In a weeks time,

12/2 Romex w/Grnd... went from $ 240 to $ 308 per 1000
14/2 Romex w/Grnd... went from $ 160 to $ 200 per 1000





Posted by on April 25, 2007, 9:51 am

Price of copper makes chillers look attractive ??

http://www.chillers.com/TonnageEquations.htm

If I put the numbers together right, 1 " PVC lines will carry 10 GPM

At a 10 degree delta, that would be 4 ton

Piped at ~ $ 0.30 / ft ( assuming sch 40, 450 PSI rating )

Maybe use some flexible 3/4 inch polyethylene pipe for zoned small
coils at 3/4 ", $ 0.14 / ft ( price from lowes, 100 PSI rating ) ? 5
GPM at 10 Delta = 2 tons

So, take any resi unit and add a plate-to-plate HX
http://www.flatplate.com/pdf/refrig/CHbrochure12-98.pdf

Easy control of SHR ( humidity ) via control of CHW supply temp.

Add another HX and some of that cheap pipe for DHW re-heat


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Posted by Geoman on April 26, 2007, 6:37 pm
Excellent thought about this cost problem.

If it wasn't used equipment being relocated I would definitely suggest such
a design. It sure would save a great deal of $$$$ / labor and high pressure
permits etc.


>
> Price of copper makes chillers look attractive ??
>
> http://www.chillers.com/TonnageEquations.htm
>
> If I put the numbers together right, 1 " PVC lines will carry 10 GPM
>
> At a 10 degree delta, that would be 4 ton
>
> Piped at ~ $ 0.30 / ft ( assuming sch 40, 450 PSI rating )
>
> Maybe use some flexible 3/4 inch polyethylene pipe for zoned small
> coils at 3/4 ", $ 0.14 / ft ( price from lowes, 100 PSI rating ) ? 5
> GPM at 10 Delta = 2 tons
>
> So, take any resi unit and add a plate-to-plate HX
> http://www.flatplate.com/pdf/refrig/CHbrochure12-98.pdf
>
> Easy control of SHR ( humidity ) via control of CHW supply temp.
>
> Add another HX and some of that cheap pipe for DHW re-heat
>
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/



Posted by on April 26, 2007, 7:53 pm

>Excellent thought about this cost problem.
>
>If it wasn't used equipment being relocated I would definitely suggest such
>a design. It sure would save a great deal of $$$$ / labor and high pressure
>permits etc.

        Plus unlimited zoning just by adding a couple of common
valves. Meaning most ductwork could be eliminated, saving material
cost, space, labor, balancing issues, etc.


>
>
>>
>> Price of copper makes chillers look attractive ??
>>
>> http://www.chillers.com/TonnageEquations.htm
>>
>> If I put the numbers together right, 1 " PVC lines will carry 10 GPM
>>
>> At a 10 degree delta, that would be 4 ton
>>
>> Piped at ~ $ 0.30 / ft ( assuming sch 40, 450 PSI rating )
>>
>> Maybe use some flexible 3/4 inch polyethylene pipe for zoned small
>> coils at 3/4 ", $ 0.14 / ft ( price from lowes, 100 PSI rating ) ? 5
>> GPM at 10 Delta = 2 tons
>>
>> So, take any resi unit and add a plate-to-plate HX
>> http://www.flatplate.com/pdf/refrig/CHbrochure12-98.pdf
>>
>> Easy control of SHR ( humidity ) via control of CHW supply temp.
>>
>> Add another HX and some of that cheap pipe for DHW re-heat
>>
>>
>> --
>> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>>
>> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
>> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
>

--
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

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