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Countervoltage, Back EMF, or 'bucking' Voltage explained by Reliance stu 10-13-2006
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Posted by on October 13, 2006, 1:45 pm


"At the same time torque is being produced, the conductors are moving
in a magnetic field and generating a voltage. This voltage is in
opposition to the voltage that causes current flow through the
conductor and is referred to as a countervoltage or back EMF. The value
of current flowing through the armature is dependent upon the
DIFFERENCE between the applied voltage and the countervoltage."


The countervoltage or back EMF is opposite the applied voltage and it
therefore

"bucks" or reduces it. For example: If the applied voltage is 220
VAC and the back

EMF is 70 VAC, the motor appear to see only 150 VAC.


The result is the equivalent of increasing the total impedence and thus
reduces the current that

would flow if there was no EMF.

This is why an AC motor must spin to avoid overheating.

An automatic thermal overload protector is usually built into HVAC fan
motors.

Or, if you desire, you can always add a correctly chosen fuse to
protect your AC motor.



http://www.reliance.com/mtr/mtrthrmn.htm


Posted by Jake on October 13, 2006, 7:42 pm
stu@aaronj.com wrote:
>
> "At the same time torque is being produced, the conductors are moving
> in a magnetic field and generating a voltage. This voltage is in
> opposition to the voltage that causes current flow through the
> conductor and is referred to as a countervoltage or back EMF. The value
> of current flowing through the ****armature**** is dependent upon the
> DIFFERENCE between the applied voltage and the countervoltage."

For at least the second or third time... induction AC motors don't have
an armature... they have a rotor. They don't have brushes and are not
'commutated' like some synchronous AC or virtually all DC motors.

Reliance is talking about DC motors in the above quote... and the rest
of this balderdash I couldn't find in the Reliance material so I guess
you made it up....

Jake

>
>
> The countervoltage or back EMF is opposite the applied voltage and it
> therefore
>
> "bucks" or reduces it. For example: If the applied voltage is 220
> VAC and the back
>
> EMF is 70 VAC, the motor appear to see only 150 VAC.
>
>
> The result is the equivalent of increasing the total impedence and thus
> reduces the current that
>
> would flow if there was no EMF.
>
> This is why an AC motor must spin to avoid overheating.
>
> An automatic thermal overload protector is usually built into HVAC fan
> motors.
>
> Or, if you desire, you can always add a correctly chosen fuse to
> protect your AC motor.
>
>
>
> http://www.reliance.com/mtr/mtrthrmn.htm
>

Posted by on October 14, 2006, 9:07 am

Jake wrote:
> stu@aaronj.com wrote:
> >
> > "At the same time torque is being produced, the conductors are moving
> > in a magnetic field and generating a voltage. This voltage is in
> > opposition to the voltage that causes current flow through the
> > conductor and is referred to as a countervoltage or back EMF. The value
> > of current flowing through the ****armature**** is dependent upon the
> > DIFFERENCE between the applied voltage and the countervoltage."
>
> For at least the second or third time... induction AC motors don't have
> an armature... they have a rotor. They don't have brushes and are not
> 'commutated' like some synchronous AC or virtually all DC motors.
>
> Reliance is talking about DC motors in the above quote... and the rest
> of this balderdash I couldn't find in the Reliance material so I guess
> you made it up....
>
> Jake


I stand corrected on mistakenly calling a rotor an armature.

>From wikipedia:

Every motor is a generator. This is true, in a sense, even when it
functions as a motor. The emf that a motor generates is called the back
emf. The back emf increases with the speed, because of Faraday's law.
So, if the motor has no load, it turns very quickly and speeds up until
the back emf, plus the voltage drop due to losses, equal the supply
voltage. The back emf can be thought of as a 'regulator': it stops the
motor turning too quickly. When the motor is loaded, then the phase of
the voltage becomes closer to that of the current (it starts to look
resistive) and this apparent resistance gives a voltage. So the back
emf required is smaller, and the motor turns more slowly. (To add the
back emf, which is inductive, to the resistive component, you need to
add voltages that are out of phase. See AC circuits.)



>
> >
> >
> > The countervoltage or back EMF is opposite the applied voltage and it
> > therefore
> >
> > "bucks" or reduces it. For example: If the applied voltage is 220
> > VAC and the back
> >
> > EMF is 70 VAC, the motor appear to see only 150 VAC.
> >
> >
> > The result is the equivalent of increasing the total impedence and thus
> > reduces the current that
> >
> > would flow if there was no EMF.
> >
> > This is why an AC motor must spin to avoid overheating.
> >
> > An automatic thermal overload protector is usually built into HVAC fan
> > motors.
> >
> > Or, if you desire, you can always add a correctly chosen fuse to
> > protect your AC motor.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.reliance.com/mtr/mtrthrmn.htm
> >


Posted by on October 14, 2006, 9:12 am
Ask A Scientist=A9
Physics Archive

Question - I am confused about the concept of 'back emf'.
Have you got a clear, concise and logical explanation of just what it
is?
------------------------------------------------
Hi, Ben !!

Well, as you probably already heard before, the back-emf is
the same as counter emf (cemf). It is a voltage produced in
a conductor that tends to neutralize the present voltage. It is
a phenomenon that always tends towards the contrary of what happens!!
Let=B4s suppose: if lines of a magnetic field are cut by a conductor,
than a voltage is generated in this conductor, which causes a
current of electrons to flow in one direction. At the same time,
like trying to avoid this, ANOTHER voltage is created that tends
to neutralize this effect, and it forces the electrons to flow in the
contrary direction. As you know, the back-emf is directly pro-
portional to the velocity of the magnetic field. It is proportional
to the relative motion between them.

I am sure that you know all of this. But, to give you an example,
think of a wire with a switch. Suppose the electrons are running
from a direction into another and suddenly, you open the switch.
What happens?? Well, when electrons run, they give rise to a magnetic
field. When you open the switch, the electrons should stop their
flow. But - as a kind of inertial action - they try to continue the
flow,
and ionize the air, in an electric arc to find its way. Or let it be,
the originally initial magnetic field, in a circumference around
the wire, changes its sense, and try to avoid stopping the original
flow. It is possible to see this in an oscilloscope, as a negative
peak in certain experiences where you make use of a coil and
- abruptely - stops the electron flow.

I know you know all of this. But, that is it!!! It is the way things
are.
Just try to answer this question: what is electrical charge?
Why is that we have positive and negative charges?? Answer :
nobody knows it!!! We must accept this condition!!! It belongs
to the laws of the universe, since the big bang created it like as it
is.

Just to speak a little bit more about this subject, you know that
when an electrical induction "squirrel" motor runs, you have a
magnetic field that circulates around the squirrel. There is a
speed difference between them, what in turn generates a voltage
and a force appears, which drives the "squirrel". A back-emf
also appears, which lowers the net electric electron flow. The
current through a rotating electric motor is greatly reduced because
of this back-emf and if you avoid the moviment of the rotor, the
current should be so large that could damage the equipment.


http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00351.htm


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