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DIY Install of new oil burning furnace? Justin 11-05-2007
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Posted by on November 7, 2007, 11:18 am
>
> All opinions are appreciated,
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

One suggestion: You can purchase the boiler and/or parts from a supply
company and get quotes from _reputable_ installers to do the work.
Tell them up front what you'll supply. Hopefully schedule it in
summer, when boiler guys are slow and are more willing to negotiate
price. Figure 1-2days of labor. Also a charge for incidental
materials, which might be high based on how few/many parts you
supply. Don't forget to think about who will dispose of old boiler.

Yes, while handy persons CAN conceivably do the somewhat easier stuff
like piping and wiring per the manual, the finer details of stack temp
balancing, knowing when/why bypasses are needed based on the existing
house system, standard practices (i.e. orientation and location of
specialized valves & equipment), etc are best left to professionals
who've done it many times. (No, I'm not an HVAC contractor, nor am I
affiliated with the industry). They also have the experience to
troubleshoot something out of the ordinary. Then there's the whole
warranty thing and every other caveat that the other posters have
mentioned.

So, it may be possible to save a few bucks if you provide the
ingredients, and let them cook the meal. But you'll have to be
patient and shop around.


Posted by on November 7, 2007, 11:26 am
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:18:56 -0800, anthonymmfalcone@yahoo.com wrote:

>>
>> All opinions are appreciated,
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>
>One suggestion: You can purchase the boiler and/or parts from a supply
>company and get quotes from _reputable_ installers to do the work.

        Bwahahahaha !!!!! NO 'reputable installer' is going to touch
it. Billy Bob will be glad to send Jesus and his cousin Raoul out to
do it, as long as you can give them directions to the house in
Spanish.


>Yes, while handy persons CAN conceivably do the somewhat easier stuff
>like piping and wiring per the manual, the finer details of stack temp
>balancing, knowing when/why bypasses are needed based on the existing
>house system, standard practices (i.e. orientation and location of
>specialized valves & equipment), etc are best left to professionals

        Like Jesus and Raoul.

>who've done it many times. (No, I'm not an HVAC contractor, nor am I
>affiliated with the industry). They also have the experience to

        No shit. Then why the fuck are you giving advice, at the same
time you're in here asking 'hwo the fuck do i do this' ?

>troubleshoot something out of the ordinary. Then there's the whole
>warranty thing and every other caveat that the other posters have
>mentioned.

        Your 'warranty' runs out when ICE catches them.

>
>So, it may be possible to save a few bucks if you provide the
>ingredients, and let them cook the meal. But you'll have to be
>patient and shop around.

        Works good at Burger King, too. Try it some time.


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Posted by on November 7, 2007, 12:07 pm
> Bwahahahaha !!!!! NO 'reputable installer' is going to touch it.

That's not true. I requested and obtained an option on the written
quotes I received from three licensed HVAC contractors (each with 15+
years experience) to install equipment that I supplied myself.


>who've done it many times. (No, I'm not an HVAC contractor, nor am I
>affiliated with the industry). They also have the experience to
> No shit. Then why the fuck are you giving advice, at the same
>time you're in here asking 'hwo the fuck do i do this' ?

I'm voluntarily admitting that I'm not in the industry, but just
offering an opinion based on my experience, for your consideration.
You are free take it or discount it. Do as you wish.



Posted by on November 7, 2007, 12:21 pm
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:07:04 -0800, anthonymmfalcone@yahoo.com wrote:

>> Bwahahahaha !!!!! NO 'reputable installer' is going to touch it.
>
>That's not true. I requested and obtained an option on the written
>quotes I received from three licensed HVAC contractors (each with 15+
>years experience) to install equipment that I supplied myself.
>
>
>>who've done it many times. (No, I'm not an HVAC contractor, nor am I
>>affiliated with the industry). They also have the experience to
>> No shit. Then why the fuck are you giving advice, at the same
>>time you're in here asking 'hwo the fuck do i do this' ?
>
>I'm voluntarily admitting that I'm not in the industry, but just
>offering an opinion based on my experience, for your consideration.

        Not for mine, asshole.


>You are free take it or discount it. Do as you wish.

        What do you figure your brain-farts are worth on the open
market, before discount ?

        Take your bullshit to alt.home.repair, where the amateurs
trade bad guesses.


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Posted by Noon-Air on November 7, 2007, 12:30 pm

>>
>> All opinions are appreciated,
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>
> One suggestion: You can purchase the boiler and/or parts from a supply
> company and get quotes from _reputable_ installers to do the work.

Sorry sport, My company will not install *ANY* equipment that was not
purchased through my company due to liability and warranty issues.

> Tell them up front what you'll supply. Hopefully schedule it in
> summer, when boiler guys are slow and are more willing to negotiate
> price.

That won't work either.... My company is on a strict flat rate schedule, we
don't charge "Labor"... the price in the book is the *INSTALLED* price, and
no, it cannot be broken down.

> Figure 1-2days of labor. Also a charge for incidental
> materials, which might be high based on how few/many parts you
> supply. Don't forget to think about who will dispose of old boiler.

That is all included when a the boiler or furnace is purchased through a
legitmate contractor.

> Yes, while handy persons CAN conceivably do the somewhat easier stuff
> like piping and wiring per the manual, the finer details of stack temp
> balancing, knowing when/why bypasses are needed based on the existing
> house system, standard practices (i.e. orientation and location of
> specialized valves & equipment), etc are best left to professionals
> who've done it many times. (No, I'm not an HVAC contractor, nor am I
> affiliated with the industry).

If your not a contractor, or a tech, then what are you doing offering advice
to somebody in the first place??

> They also have the experience to
> troubleshoot something out of the ordinary. Then there's the whole
> warranty thing and every other caveat that the other posters have
> mentioned.

Exactly

> So, it may be possible to save a few bucks if you provide the
> ingredients, and let them cook the meal. But you'll have to be
> patient and shop around.



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