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Posted by Stormin Mormon on November 7, 2007, 4:55 pm
Very few reputable companies will install parts supplied by someone else.
I have, on a couple occasions. It's a real hassle. You see, the customer
starts off by trying to save a pile of money. Rather than paying a market
price for a good job. What has happened to me in the past, is that the
customer wants me to supply all my wisdom for free, and parts at wholesale.
Folks like that often want the lowest possible discount on the labor too.
and might give me a lot of trouble, as to paying me.
The one job I did, the customer had started his own install of AC, in
addition to a natural gas furnace. It occured to him at some point that he
didn't have the skills. A couple weeks after the system was installed, it
stopped working. I went out, and found no freon in the system. I checked for
leaks, and got an indication next to the solder joints, on the evaporator.
So, I redid the fittings, and put in some freon. Went flat a day or two
later. So, the evaporator coil is leaking.
I quoted him based on three hours labor to change the coil, vaccum the
system, and 5 pounds of freon. He could take the coil back where he got it,
and swap it out. Havn't heard from him.
Seriously, I'd really doubt you'd find many companies that will work under
those conditions. You'd have much better results to call and ask when the
slow season is, and ask if there's a discount for slow season.
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One suggestion: You can purchase the boiler and/or parts from a supply
company and get quotes from _reputable_ installers to do the work.
Tell them up front what you'll supply. Hopefully schedule it in
summer, when boiler guys are slow and are more willing to negotiate
price. Figure 1-2days of labor. Also a charge for incidental
materials, which might be high based on how few/many parts you
supply. Don't forget to think about who will dispose of old boiler.
Yes, while handy persons CAN conceivably do the somewhat easier stuff
like piping and wiring per the manual, the finer details of stack temp
balancing, knowing when/why bypasses are needed based on the existing
house system, standard practices (i.e. orientation and location of
specialized valves & equipment), etc are best left to professionals
who've done it many times. (No, I'm not an HVAC contractor, nor am I
affiliated with the industry). They also have the experience to
troubleshoot something out of the ordinary. Then there's the whole
warranty thing and every other caveat that the other posters have
mentioned.
So, it may be possible to save a few bucks if you provide the
ingredients, and let them cook the meal. But you'll have to be
patient and shop around.
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Posted by Bubba on November 7, 2007, 5:21 pm
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:55:57 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>Very few reputable companies will install parts supplied by someone else.
>
>I have, on a couple occasions.
Thus, by your own words Stormy, you are admitting you are less than
reputable and a complete stupid hack
> It's a real hassle. You see, the customer
>starts off by trying to save a pile of money. Rather than paying a market
>price for a good job. What has happened to me in the past, is that the
>customer wants me to supply all my wisdom for free,
Sounds like you are getting a deal on that one Stormy since you have
absolutely NO wisdom, skill or smarts.
> and parts at wholesale.
>Folks like that often want the lowest possible discount on the labor too.
>and might give me a lot of trouble, as to paying me.
Being the hack you are Im sure you have trouble getting money from
anyone but the old ladys.
>
>The one job I did, the customer had started his own install of AC, in
>addition to a natural gas furnace. It occured to him at some point that he
>didn't have the skills. A couple weeks after the system was installed, it
>stopped working. I went out, and found no freon in the system. I checked for
>leaks, and got an indication next to the solder joints, on the evaporator.
An indication? WTF is that? It's either a leak or it's not a leak you
Moron!
>So, I redid the fittings, and put in some freon. Went flat a day or two
>later. So, the evaporator coil is leaking.
Nice job asshole. Once again, you've proven you are a complete useless
hack that cant even find a leak so big that the entire charge leaks
out 1 day later!!!
>
>I quoted him based on three hours labor to change the coil, vaccum the
>system, and 5 pounds of freon. He could take the coil back where he got it,
>and swap it out. Havn't heard from him.
Gee, it wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that you cant do a
simple leak check and repair properly now would it Stormy?
>
>Seriously, I'd really doubt you'd find many companies that will work under
>those conditions.
It seems someone found one particular asshole that would.
> You'd have much better results to call and ask when the
>slow season is, and ask if there's a discount for slow season.
Slow season? I guess that would be 52 wks out of the year for you
Stormy.
I dont discount my work. Neither does my supplier. Ive never once seen
my wholesaler send out a flier saying, "Hey, its slow here. Come buy
our equipment. We've discounted it due to the weather".
(No, scratch and dent sales dont count).
You really need to give up Stormy. Everytime you type you prove how
stupid you are.
Bubba
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Posted by on November 8, 2007, 8:22 am
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:55:57 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>Very few reputable companies will install parts supplied by someone else.
>
>I have, on a couple occasions. It's a real hassle. You see, the customer
>starts off by trying to save a pile of money. Rather than paying a market
>price for a good job. What has happened to me in the past, is that the
>customer wants me to supply all my wisdom for free, and parts at wholesale.
>Folks like that often want the lowest possible discount on the labor too.
>and might give me a lot of trouble, as to paying me.
>
>The one job I did, the customer had started his own install of AC, in
>addition to a natural gas furnace. It occured to him at some point that he
>didn't have the skills. A couple weeks after the system was installed, it
>stopped working. I went out, and found no freon in the system. I checked for
>leaks, and got an indication next to the solder joints, on the evaporator.
>So, I redid the fittings, and put in some freon. Went flat a day or two
>later. So, the evaporator coil is leaking.
>
>I quoted him based on three hours labor to change the coil, vaccum the
>system, and 5 pounds of freon. He could take the coil back where he got it,
>and swap it out. Havn't heard from him.
>
>Seriously, I'd really doubt you'd find many companies that will work under
>those conditions. You'd have much better results to call and ask when the
>slow season is, and ask if there's a discount for slow season.
OMG! Sometimes life just hands you material. Where to start...
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Posted by on November 8, 2007, 8:41 am
>On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:55:57 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>
>>Very few reputable companies will install parts supplied by someone else.
>>
>>I have, on a couple occasions. It's a real hassle. You see, the customer
>>starts off by trying to save a pile of money. Rather than paying a market
>>price for a good job. What has happened to me in the past, is that the
>>customer wants me to supply all my wisdom for free, and parts at wholesale.
Gets tricky, mathematically - first we have to add up the cost
of the parts, including the wrong parts you buy and the right parts
you DON'T buy, then we have to subtract the epxense of taking your bad
advice and having to have it fixed later ......
>>Folks like that often want the lowest possible discount on the labor too.
>>and might give me a lot of trouble, as to paying me.
The basic problem there is that you actually show up, which
gives them an opportunity to realize what a fucktard you are.
>>The one job I did,
OK, that one can just sit there and speak for itself :-)
>> the customer had started his own install of AC, in
>>addition to a natural gas furnace. It occured to him at some point that he
>>didn't have the skills. A couple weeks after the system was installed, it
>>stopped working. I went out, and found no freon in the system. I checked for
>>leaks, and got an indication next to the solder joints, on the evaporator.
>>So, I redid the fittings, and put in some freon. Went flat a day or two
>>later. So, the evaporator coil is leaking.
Yeh, right. SURE it is.
>>I quoted him based on three hours labor to change the coil, vaccum the
>>system, and 5 pounds of freon. He could take the coil back where he got it,
>>and swap it out. Havn't heard from him.
Go figure :-)
>>Seriously, I'd really doubt you'd find many companies that will work under
>>those conditions. You'd have much better results to call and ask when the
>>slow season is, and ask if there's a discount for slow season.
In Stormy's world, anytime he's awake is 'slow' season.
>
>
>OMG! Sometimes life just hands you material. Where to start...
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