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Posted by Noon-Air on August 20, 2006, 4:24 pm

>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Noon-Air wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> FWIW, I would highly recommend that your new system(regardless of
>> > brand)
>> >> > >> uses R-410a refrigerant.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What advantages do you think that it has over 22a. Some sugggest
>> >> > > availability and 410a is the newest on the block. Yes 22a will
>> >> > > diminish in new units but like its predecessor, 22a will not
>> >> > > dissapear
>> >> > > for maintenance. What other reasons make you think 410a is the
>> >> > > way
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > go?
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Excellent Link. Thanks. ...and for letting me know what the Rheem
>> >> has
>> >> from the factory.
>> >>
>> >> Whats your point of view on the whole Puron scam thing? Lots of
>> >> people
>> >> have spoken about equipment failures with 410a but I don't buy it
>> >> given
>> >> the warranties that are being offered.
>> >>
>> >> S.
>> >
>> > Go with the proven R22 system. Why pay more for a 410 system when 22
> will
>> > be
>> > around for a very long time? You can still buy 12 and there is already
>> > dropin replacements for R22 on the market today. No matter what, it's
>> > going
>> > to depend greatly on the installer you chose to install your system. A
>> > crappy install equals a crappy system that will offer you crappy
>> > reliability
>> > and crappy comfort.
>>
>> <sigh>
>> Somebody else who hasn't done their homework, or gone to the training and
>> classes for the new equipment. Apparently you don't actually sell R-410a
>> equipment, A Rheem14 SEER R-410a heat pump system cost the customer LESS
>> than the same system in a R-22 13 SEER. . OTOH, If your just a "gas and
> go"
>> kinda guy, you can do what you want, in just a couple of short years you
>> won't have a choice.
>
> I've done my homework
>
> Price R22, now price R410 refrigerant.
> IF a repair is needed to the refrigeration circuit, the R410 will be a
> more
> costly to repair.
> Ester oil absorbs moisture when there exists a leak or when the system is
> opened for repair.
> Ester oil likes to degrade rubber products, LOOK OUT roofing material.
>
> Hummmmmmm........ I think I want that more costly unit, NOT!

Keep on doing like you are.... I got lots of contractors and techs here that
think the same way that you do. The first time the customer gets hit with a
$500 "gas and go" bill for a couple of pounds of R-22, they are going to be
looking for alternatives. I will be more than happy to provide them with a
solution to their problem.



Posted by Stormin Mormon on August 20, 2006, 4:33 pm
Seeing as how R-12 is still available, I'd expect 22 to be around
longer than the equipment will last. It's been 13 years since the EPA
removed 12, and it is still around. And the blends. I'm going ot keep
using the 22 systems as long as possible. Azeotropic single gas with a
proven record.

Your $500 gas and go is sounding like a scare tactic.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


>
> Hummmmmmm........ I think I want that more costly unit, NOT!

Keep on doing like you are.... I got lots of contractors and techs
here that
think the same way that you do. The first time the customer gets hit
with a
$500 "gas and go" bill for a couple of pounds of R-22, they are going
to be
looking for alternatives. I will be more than happy to provide them
with a
solution to their problem.




Posted by aka-SBM on August 21, 2006, 7:21 am

> Seeing as how R-12 is still available, I'd expect 22 to be around
> longer than the equipment will last. It's been 13 years since the EPA
> removed 12, and it is still around. And the blends. I'm going ot keep
> using the 22 systems as long as possible. Azeotropic single gas with a
> proven record.
>
> Your $500 gas and go is sounding like a scare tactic.
>

Then you dont have a clue.

Better read up again Chris, and you will discover that VERY soon, no ones
gonna make a R22 unit.

> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> You can't shout down a troll.
> You have to starve them.
> .
>
>
>>
>> Hummmmmmm........ I think I want that more costly unit, NOT!
>
> Keep on doing like you are.... I got lots of contractors and techs
> here that
> think the same way that you do. The first time the customer gets hit
> with a
> $500 "gas and go" bill for a couple of pounds of R-22, they are going
> to be
> looking for alternatives. I will be more than happy to provide them
> with a
> solution to their problem.
>
>
>



Posted by tech on August 20, 2006, 5:22 pm

>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Noon-Air wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> FWIW, I would highly recommend that your new system(regardless
of
> >> > brand)
> >> >> > >> uses R-410a refrigerant.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What advantages do you think that it has over 22a. Some
sugggest
> >> >> > > availability and 410a is the newest on the block. Yes 22a will
> >> >> > > diminish in new units but like its predecessor, 22a will not
> >> >> > > dissapear
> >> >> > > for maintenance. What other reasons make you think 410a is the
> >> >> > > way
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > go?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Excellent Link. Thanks. ...and for letting me know what the Rheem
> >> >> has
> >> >> from the factory.
> >> >>
> >> >> Whats your point of view on the whole Puron scam thing? Lots of
> >> >> people
> >> >> have spoken about equipment failures with 410a but I don't buy it
> >> >> given
> >> >> the warranties that are being offered.
> >> >>
> >> >> S.
> >> >
> >> > Go with the proven R22 system. Why pay more for a 410 system when 22
> > will
> >> > be
> >> > around for a very long time? You can still buy 12 and there is
already
> >> > dropin replacements for R22 on the market today. No matter what, it's
> >> > going
> >> > to depend greatly on the installer you chose to install your system.
A
> >> > crappy install equals a crappy system that will offer you crappy
> >> > reliability
> >> > and crappy comfort.
> >>
> >> <sigh>
> >> Somebody else who hasn't done their homework, or gone to the training
and
> >> classes for the new equipment. Apparently you don't actually sell
R-410a
> >> equipment, A Rheem14 SEER R-410a heat pump system cost the customer
LESS
> >> than the same system in a R-22 13 SEER. . OTOH, If your just a "gas and
> > go"
> >> kinda guy, you can do what you want, in just a couple of short years
you
> >> won't have a choice.
> >
> > I've done my homework
> >
> > Price R22, now price R410 refrigerant.
> > IF a repair is needed to the refrigeration circuit, the R410 will be a
> > more
> > costly to repair.
> > Ester oil absorbs moisture when there exists a leak or when the system
is
> > opened for repair.
> > Ester oil likes to degrade rubber products, LOOK OUT roofing material.
> >
> > Hummmmmmm........ I think I want that more costly unit, NOT!
>
> Keep on doing like you are.... I got lots of contractors and techs here
that
> think the same way that you do. The first time the customer gets hit with
a
> $500 "gas and go" bill for a couple of pounds of R-22, they are going to
be
> looking for alternatives. I will be more than happy to provide them with a
> solution to their problem.

Sorry, don't do "Gas and Go" here.

$500? WOW, one better be purchasing the replacements before one would ever
have to charge $500 for a "Gas and Go" anyway.
Remember, there are already drop-in replacements for R22 as we speak. That
wasn't the case when R12 went though the roof.



Posted by on August 20, 2006, 5:04 pm

Noon-Air wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Noon-Air wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> FWIW, I would highly recommend that your new system(regardless of
> > brand)
> >> > >> uses R-410a refrigerant.
> >> > >
> >> > > What advantages do you think that it has over 22a. Some sugggest
> >> > > availability and 410a is the newest on the block. Yes 22a will
> >> > > diminish in new units but like its predecessor, 22a will not
> >> > > dissapear
> >> > > for maintenance. What other reasons make you think 410a is the way
> >> > > to
> >> > > go?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
> >> >
> >>
> >> Excellent Link. Thanks. ...and for letting me know what the Rheem has
> >> from the factory.
> >>
> >> Whats your point of view on the whole Puron scam thing? Lots of people
> >> have spoken about equipment failures with 410a but I don't buy it given
> >> the warranties that are being offered.
> >>
> >> S.
> >
> > Go with the proven R22 system. Why pay more for a 410 system when 22 will
> > be
> > around for a very long time? You can still buy 12 and there is already
> > dropin replacements for R22 on the market today. No matter what, it's
> > going
> > to depend greatly on the installer you chose to install your system. A
> > crappy install equals a crappy system that will offer you crappy
> > reliability
> > and crappy comfort.
>
> <sigh>
> Somebody else who hasn't done their homework, or gone to the training and
> classes for the new equipment. Apparently you don't actually sell R-410a
> equipment, A Rheem14 SEER R-410a heat pump system cost the customer LESS
> than the same system in a R-22 13 SEER. . OTOH, If your just a "gas and go"
> kinda guy, you can do what you want, in just a couple of short years you
> won't have a choice.

Cheaper!!?? Thats great news. Any idea why?

S.


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