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Drop in replacement for R22 kool 10-19-2007
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Posted by on October 20, 2007, 8:26 pm


> > Since 22 is still available it's nothing to worry about....
>
> Unless I miss my guess, around January 2010, the *retail* price of R-22
will
> be around $100 per pound, and go up from there.


Come on Steve, R-12 never even hit the $100 mark.
With all of the R-22 replacements I don't think 22 will go as high as R-12.


> Yes R-22 will still be
> available as R-12 is now.....but whos going to want to pay the price?? The
> ones I feel for are the ones that are still being sold R-22 systems. Give
it
> 5 - 8 years when the evap coils start going away. There is going to be a
lot
> of really pissed off home owners that thought they were getting a "deal"
on
> the their new systems, and the guy that put it in is long gone..
>
> Gotta love the lowest bidders, and the home owners that shop price alone.
> They will be providing my livelyhood for many years to come :-)


Well, I still sell, install and service R-22 systems. I'm not cheap by no
means and I plan on being around to service my clients for a long time to
come. You have to realize that there are still R-12 units in service today.
Just how long ago was R-12 cut from the production lines? R-22 will be no
different, trust me.



Posted by Zyp on October 20, 2007, 11:51 pm
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>
>>> Since 22 is still available it's nothing to worry about....
>>
>> Unless I miss my guess, around January 2010, the *retail* price of
>> R-22 will be around $100 per pound, and go up from there.
>
>
> Come on Steve, R-12 never even hit the $100 mark.
> With all of the R-22 replacements I don't think 22 will go as high as
> R-12.
>
>
>> Yes R-22 will still be
>> available as R-12 is now.....but whos going to want to pay the
>> price?? The ones I feel for are the ones that are still being sold
>> R-22 systems. Give it 5 - 8 years when the evap coils start going
>> away. There is going to be a lot of really pissed off home owners
>> that thought they were getting a "deal" on the their new systems,
>> and the guy that put it in is long gone..
>>
>> Gotta love the lowest bidders, and the home owners that shop price
>> alone. They will be providing my livelyhood for many years to come
>> :-)
>
>
> Well, I still sell, install and service R-22 systems. I'm not cheap
> by no means and I plan on being around to service my clients for a
> long time to come. You have to realize that there are still R-12
> units in service today. Just how long ago was R-12 cut from the
> production lines? R-22 will be no different, trust me.

November 15, 1995 for R-12 [you don't remember?]

2010 is the stop on new R-22 equipment.

Speaking of towns BTW: Amboy, California just sold last year for under
$500,000 and you got your own auto shop, coffee shop, gas station, hotel,
and post office. [The post office is still in operation.] And an air strip
with two run-ways and radio tower.

--
Zyp



Posted by Zyp on October 20, 2007, 5:10 pm
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>
>>> i like the "nu-22" mfg by Icor in indianapolis
>>> i've used it on several retrofits, with no problems at all
>>>
>>> it seems to show a lot of promise
>>>
>>>
> http://www.icorinternational.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&c
> Path=2&products_id=8
>>>
>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried this refrigerant yet? I am considering it for
>>>> some heat
>>
>> Its *still* got Butane in it, and use of it will void any and all
>> Copeland compressor warrantys. If you want to take that chance, then
>> knock yourself out. When I get Service Bullitins from copeland,
>> and/or the equipment manufacturers that says its ok to use for a
>> R-22 "drop-in" replacement, then I will think about it. Until then,
>> I don't want that kind of liability.
>
>
> Since 22 is still available it's nothing to worry about....

The R-22 "drop-ins" are designed to work with existing mineral oils. If you
want to convert to something other than a "drop-in", just replace the oil
with POE. The cost all around is high either way.

I can't believe the variance though on the priceing from what we pay in
California compared to the East Coast. Man what a difference. But then
we're currently paying over $3.00 a gallon for fuel too.

--
Zyp



Posted by on October 20, 2007, 6:00 pm

>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> i like the "nu-22" mfg by Icor in indianapolis
>>>> i've used it on several retrofits, with no problems at all
>>>>
>>>> it seems to show a lot of promise
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.icorinternational.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&c
>> Path=2&products_id=8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone tried this refrigerant yet? I am considering it for
>>>>> some heat
>>>
>>> Its *still* got Butane in it, and use of it will void any and all
>>> Copeland compressor warrantys. If you want to take that chance, then
>>> knock yourself out. When I get Service Bullitins from copeland,
>>> and/or the equipment manufacturers that says its ok to use for a
>>> R-22 "drop-in" replacement, then I will think about it. Until then,
>>> I don't want that kind of liability.
>>
>>
>> Since 22 is still available it's nothing to worry about....
>
>The R-22 "drop-ins" are designed to work with existing mineral oils. If you
>want to convert to something other than a "drop-in", just replace the oil
>with POE. The cost all around is high either way.
>
>I can't believe the variance though on the priceing from what we pay in
>California compared to the East Coast. Man what a difference. But then
>we're currently paying over $3.00 a gallon for fuel too.

        Priced any houses recently ? :-)

        What you pay for a run down 2 bedrom 1 bath shack in a bad
neighborhood buys you a new custom 4 BR / 4 bath mansion with a pool
and a game room on 5 acres here ;-)


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Posted by Zyp on October 20, 2007, 6:20 pm
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i like the "nu-22" mfg by Icor in indianapolis
>>>>> i've used it on several retrofits, with no problems at all
>>>>>
>>>>> it seems to show a lot of promise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://www.icorinternational.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&c
>>> Path=2&products_id=8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone tried this refrigerant yet? I am considering it for
>>>>>> some heat
>>>>
>>>> Its *still* got Butane in it, and use of it will void any and all
>>>> Copeland compressor warrantys. If you want to take that chance,
>>>> then knock yourself out. When I get Service Bullitins from
>>>> copeland, and/or the equipment manufacturers that says its ok to
>>>> use for a R-22 "drop-in" replacement, then I will think about it.
>>>> Until then, I don't want that kind of liability.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since 22 is still available it's nothing to worry about....
>>
>> The R-22 "drop-ins" are designed to work with existing mineral oils.
>> If you want to convert to something other than a "drop-in", just
>> replace the oil with POE. The cost all around is high either way.
>>
>> I can't believe the variance though on the priceing from what we pay
>> in California compared to the East Coast. Man what a difference.
>> But then we're currently paying over $3.00 a gallon for fuel too.
>
> Priced any houses recently ? :-)
>
> What you pay for a run down 2 bedrom 1 bath shack in a bad
> neighborhood buys you a new custom 4 BR / 4 bath mansion with a pool
> and a game room on 5 acres here ;-)
>
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

You are absolutely correct! But one itsi, bitsy difference here. We have
the ability to be at the ocean front in the morning, skiing in the
afternoon, and check out the desert in the evening. We have tolerant
weather more than 3/4 of the year. Our summers here are mild compared to
some. Our winters are mild compared to others. No toll roads to speak of.
[Just a few in Sacramento and one highway toll that's privately owned in
Orance County.] No snow, unless we drive to it. No clearing the driveway
of snow. Standard humidity most of the time. No tornado's, no hurricanes,
[although we have earthquakes once in awhile.] And we don't seem to pay
those high prices for FREEZEON.. ROFL

--
Zyp



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