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Duct Size Question fullyabsorbent 01-30-2009
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Posted by on January 30, 2009, 10:04 am
I need to extract 247 cubic metres per hour from my bathroom. I will
be using a 150mm (6") ceiling fan capable of extracting 250 m3/ph
(Solar and Palau Silent 300). I have a 1.5 metre run. Currently I have
100mm (4") circular flexible hose already installed. Will this
existing hose be sufficient for the job? If it is I intend to use a
150mm =96 100mm reducing spigot. I have read that 100mm is sufficient
for up to 250m3/ph but i have not been able to confirm this.

Increasing the diameter of the hose will tricky because of the
configuration of the void space through which it will travel. The
wider the diameter the bigger the problem. If I go larger than 100mm
hose I will need to use rectangular flexible hose. The ideal option
(180mm x 90mm) is not available as rectangular flexible hose.
It seems that the only rectangular flexible hose options are options
available are (150mm x 70mm) or (204mm x 60mm). Assuming the existing
hose i have is not sufficent, is the 150mm x 70mm enough or do i need
to use the 204mm x 60mm.

Many thanks for you help

Posted by Marc O'Brien - ACRTC on January 30, 2009, 7:25 pm
On Jan 30, 3:04 pm, fullyabsorb...@gmail.com wrote:
> I need to extract 247 cubic metres per hour from my bathroom. I will
> be using a 150mm (6") ceiling fan capable of extracting 250 m3/ph
> (Solar and Palau Silent 300). I have a 1.5 metre run. Currently I have
> 100mm (4") circular flexible hose already installed. Will this
> existing hose be sufficient for the job? If it is I intend to use a
> 150mm =96 100mm reducing spigot. I have read that 100mm is sufficient
> for up to 250m3/ph but i have not been able to confirm this.
> Increasing the diameter of the hose will tricky because of the
> configuration of the void space through which it will travel. The
> wider the diameter the bigger the problem. If I go larger than 100mm
> hose I will need to use rectangular flexible hose. The ideal option
> (180mm x 90mm) is not available as rectangular flexible hose.
> It seems that the only rectangular flexible hose options are options
> available are (150mm x 70mm) or (204mm x 60mm). Assuming the existing
> hose i have is not sufficent, is the 150mm x 70mm enough or do i need
> to use the 204mm x 60mm.
> Many thanks for you help

The 100mm flexi hose at 1.5 meters will offer a lowest resistance of
25Pa if fully extended with no bends. The transition 150 to 100 might
offer another 5Pa (off the top of my head). So you fan would have to
be capable of at least overcoming 30Pa. Grills and diffusers worst
case might be another 20Pa each.

The 150mm x 70mm will amount to precisely the same thing.

The 204 x 60 would have a pressure drop 80% that of the 100mm flexi.
But transitions and grills etc remain.


Posted by Marc O'Brien - ACRTC on January 31, 2009, 10:55 am
On Jan 31, 12:25=A0am, "Marc O'Brien - ACRTC"
> On Jan 30, 3:04 pm, fullyabsorb...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I need to extract 247 cubic metres per hour from my bathroom. I will
> > be using a 150mm (6") ceiling fan capable of extracting 250 m3/ph
> > (Solar and Palau Silent 300). I have a 1.5 metre run. Currently I have
> > 100mm (4") circular flexible hose already installed. Will this
> > existing hose be sufficient for the job? If it is I intend to use a
> > 150mm =96 100mm reducing spigot. I have read that 100mm is sufficient
> > for up to 250m3/ph but i have not been able to confirm this.
> > Increasing the diameter of the hose will tricky because of the
> > configuration of the void space through which it will travel. The
> > wider the diameter the bigger the problem. If I go larger than 100mm
> > hose I will need to use rectangular flexible hose. The ideal option
> > (180mm x 90mm) is not available as rectangular flexible hose.
> > It seems that the only rectangular flexible hose options are options
> > available are (150mm x 70mm) or =A0(204mm x 60mm). Assuming the existin=
g
> > hose i have is not sufficent, is the 150mm x 70mm enough or do i need
> > to use the 204mm x 60mm.
> > Many thanks for you help
> The 100mm flexi hose at 1.5 meters will offer a lowest resistance of
> 25Pa if fully extended with no bends. The transition 150 to 100 might
> offer another 5Pa (off the top of my head). So you fan would have to
> be capable of at least overcoming 30Pa. Grills and diffusers worst
> case might be another 20Pa each.
> The 150mm x 70mm will amount to precisely the same thing.
> The 204 x 60 would have a pressure drop 80% that of the 100mm flexi.
> But transitions and grills etc remain.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, looking at my recent copy of the NEBB TAB book it lists
spiral duct roughness as 3mm and not as 0.3mm presented to me a few
years back in a suppliers catalogue.

Changing my software to reflect this I instead no calculate that 250m=B3/
hr through 100mm spiral over 1.5m will have a pressure drop of 72Pa

So your fan will have to be able to do 250m=B3/hr against at least 100Pa
external static.

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