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Electric Thermal Storage (ETS) Heat dss 08-19-2008
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Posted by dss on August 19, 2008, 12:41 pm


I'm replacing a 30-year old natural gas furnace and air conditioner
this fall. Does anyone have any experience with the Steffes ETS
product line? It looks like I can replace my current system with a
central unit that stores heat during the night with half price
electricity between 11:00 pm and 7:00 am. It uses my existing duct
system to distribute the heat. Coupled with a heat pump for the warmer
"cold" days it is supposed to be pretty effective.

I live in the Twin Cities metro area of Minnesota so the system needs
to work. Most of the big HVAC outfits in the metro area don't carry
the product line so I'm left with smaller companies from the outlying
towns. I'm thinking that may be an advantage.

Thanks.

dss


Posted by Noon-Air on August 19, 2008, 5:03 pm



> I'm replacing a 30-year old natural gas furnace and air conditioner
> this fall. Does anyone have any experience with the Steffes ETS
> product line?

Never heard of such

> It looks like I can replace my current system with a
> central unit that stores heat during the night with half price
> electricity between 11:00 pm and 7:00 am.

Whats it do...heat rocks at night??

> It uses my existing duct
> system to distribute the heat. Coupled with a heat pump for the warmer
> "cold" days it is supposed to be pretty effective.

Sounds more like smoke and mirrors...and with energy costs as high as they
are, I expect that we are gonna see a whole bunch more stuff like
that....There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably it, but there is a sucker
born every minute.

> I live in the Twin Cities metro area of Minnesota so the system needs
> to work. Most of the big HVAC outfits in the metro area don't carry
> the product line so I'm left with smaller companies from the outlying
> towns. I'm thinking that may be an advantage.

There is probably a real good reason that nobody carries them.

> Thanks.
> dss
>


Posted by Don Ocean on August 20, 2008, 4:30 am


Noon-Air wrote:
>
>> I'm replacing a 30-year old natural gas furnace and air conditioner
>> this fall. Does anyone have any experience with the Steffes ETS
>> product line?
>
> Never heard of such
>
>> It looks like I can replace my current system with a
>> central unit that stores heat during the night with half price
>> electricity between 11:00 pm and 7:00 am.
>
> Whats it do...heat rocks at night??
>
>> It uses my existing duct
>> system to distribute the heat. Coupled with a heat pump for the warmer
>> "cold" days it is supposed to be pretty effective.
>
> Sounds more like smoke and mirrors...and with energy costs as high as
> they are, I expect that we are gonna see a whole bunch more stuff like
> that....There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
> If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably it, but there is a
> sucker born every minute.
>
>> I live in the Twin Cities metro area of Minnesota so the system needs
>> to work. Most of the big HVAC outfits in the metro area don't carry
>> the product line so I'm left with smaller companies from the outlying
>> towns. I'm thinking that may be an advantage.
>
> There is probably a real good reason that nobody carries them.

Its a system that uses resistance heaters to hear up Ceramic bricks as
storage. Sounds like another snake oil cure. I can't wait until we get
into winter brownouts due to every one running electric resistance heat.
Even air to air heat pumps make more sense in the colder climates. We
can possibily generate enough electric, but we just don't have the
transmission lines for mass use of electricity. Wind power is not as
cheap as folks would like to believe, All of our new Generating plants
are N.Gas turbines. Hydroelectric is declining due to water levels and
solar is damned expensive, There may be some real solutions out there,
But I doubt this is one of them.

>
>> Thanks.
>> dss
>

Posted by kool on August 19, 2008, 6:45 pm





> I'm replacing a 30-year old natural gas furnace and air conditioner
> this fall. Does anyone have any experience with the Steffes ETS
> product line? It looks like I can replace my current system with a
> central unit that stores heat during the night with half price
> electricity between 11:00 pm and 7:00 am. It uses my existing duct
> system to distribute the heat. Coupled with a heat pump for the warmer
> "cold" days it is supposed to be pretty effective.
> I live in the Twin Cities metro area of Minnesota so the system needs
> to work. Most of the big HVAC outfits in the metro area don't carry
> the product line so I'm left with smaller companies from the outlying
> towns. I'm thinking that may be an advantage.
> Thanks.
> dss

and cats like it too!
http://www.steffes.com/downloads/pdf/testimonials.pdf



Posted by Dave Smith on August 19, 2008, 9:00 pm



> I'm replacing a 30-year old natural gas furnace and air conditioner
> this fall. Does anyone have any experience with the Steffes ETS
> product line? It looks like I can replace my current system with a
> central unit that stores heat during the night with half price
> electricity between 11:00 pm and 7:00 am.

If you switch to a "Time of Day" service "daytime" rates will be higher than
your current standard service rates. This applies to both summer and winter.
Air conditioning will cost you much more to operate.
Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_value_of_money


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