Exploding refrigerators

Posted by Bolaleman on September 16, 2009, 12:57 am

> In one point I agree: if you could reduce these RF micro wave and IR
> emissions from electric sources (what by the way energy saving lamps
> or neon-tubes are doing), a lot of energy power plants could be shut-
> down - and this really would reduce the emission of greenhouse gases,
> in particular CO2.
> -----------------------------------
> didya ever stop to think that the increase in CO2 is due to destruction of
> some of the worlds largest forests, and jungles?? trees and plants turn CO2
> into O2.

Trees and plants are only a temporary sink for CO2. Each tree emits
the same quantity of CO2 when it dies and rotting as it absorbed
during its total lifetime. The increase of CO2 in our atmosphere is
basically due to the incineration of fossile fuel like oil and coal.
There are other effects playing a rule like the increase of sea water
temperature and the resulting decrease in CO2 adsorption in the water,
reduction of other CO2 sinks like forests (as you mention) or the
increased evaporation of CO2 hydrates from the oceans (these are
deposits of "frozen" CO2 in deep water layers which slowing are
evaporating due to the increase in water temperature) - just to
mention some of the most important ones.

Posted by Bolaleman on September 17, 2009, 1:49 am

> >> In one point I agree: if you could reduce these RF micro wave and IR
> >> emissions from electric sources (what by the way energy saving lamps
> >> or neon-tubes are doing), a lot of energy power plants could be shut-
> >> down - and this really would reduce the emission of greenhouse gases,
> >> in particular CO2.
> >> -----------------------------------
> >> didya ever stop to think that the increase in CO2 is due to destruction
> >> of
> >> some of the worlds largest forests, and jungles?? trees and plants turn
> >> CO2
> >> into O2.

> > Trees and plants are only a temporary sink for CO2. Each tree emits
> > the same quantity of CO2 when it dies and rotting as it absorbed
> > during its total lifetime. The increase of CO2 in our atmosphere is
> > basically due to the incineration of fossile fuel like oil and coal.
> > There are other effects playing a rule like the increase of sea water
> > temperature and the resulting decrease in CO2 adsorption in the water,
> > reduction of other CO2 sinks like forests (as you mention) or the
> > increased evaporation of CO2 hydrates from the oceans (these are
> > deposits of "frozen" CO2 in deep water layers which slowing are
> > evaporating due to the increase in water temperature) - just to
> > mention some of the most important ones.

> That's what you think.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -

That's what I read in several publications and what I find it quite
conclusive. The true story is probably much more complex and we will
know it in about 20 to 30 years.

Posted by Steve on September 17, 2009, 7:57 am

>> >> In one point I agree: if you could reduce these RF micro wave and IR
>> >> emissions from electric sources (what by the way energy saving lamps
>> >> or neon-tubes are doing), a lot of energy power plants could be shut-
>> >> down - and this really would reduce the emission of greenhouse gases,
>> >> in particular CO2.
>> >> -----------------------------------
>> >> didya ever stop to think that the increase in CO2 is due to
>> >> destruction
>> >> of
>> >> some of the worlds largest forests, and jungles?? trees and plants
>> >> turn
>> >> CO2
>> >> into O2.
>> > Trees and plants are only a temporary sink for CO2. Each tree emits
>> > the same quantity of CO2 when it dies and rotting as it absorbed
>> > during its total lifetime. The increase of CO2 in our atmosphere is
>> > basically due to the incineration of fossile fuel like oil and coal.
>> > There are other effects playing a rule like the increase of sea water
>> > temperature and the resulting decrease in CO2 adsorption in the water,
>> > reduction of other CO2 sinks like forests (as you mention) or the
>> > increased evaporation of CO2 hydrates from the oceans (these are
>> > deposits of "frozen" CO2 in deep water layers which slowing are
>> > evaporating due to the increase in water temperature) - just to
>> > mention some of the most important ones.

>> That's what you think.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>> - Mostrar texto de la cita -

> That's what I read in several publications and what I find it quite
> conclusive. The true story is probably much more complex and we will
> know it in about 20 to 30 years.

Actually its old news.

Posted by Don Ocean on September 4, 2009, 2:50 am

Stormin Mormon wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210334/Alert-new-wave-exploding-fridges-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

>
> Not only UK, but where ever they are found. Aparently,
> someone decided to use propane as a refrigerant. Which is
> fine, until it leaks into the compartment, and is ignited by
> a spark.

Propane & Butane were originally used specifically for refrigerants.
Matter of fact a couple of the Automotive refrigerant gases are
made up of small percentages of propane. It is absolutely inert in those
combinations. R414 and R416 are both combinations of gases including
propane.

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