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Fan Runs Constantly in Heat Mode badaczewski 11-23-2006
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Posted by on November 26, 2006, 1:07 pm
On 25 Nov 2006 17:02:59 -0800, badaczewski@gmail.com wrote:

>Before I removed the old thermostat I wrote down and identified what
>each wire letter and function based on a wiring diagram of my
>thermostat (1F58-910) found here,
>http://customer.honeywell.com/NR/rdonlyres/5E44C66F-DC38-4334-B256-C691C2EC1669/581/706627.pdf.
>
>After taking notes on the thermostat wiring I matched the function of
>each wire to the proper terminal of the new thermostat. Since both
>thermostats were manufactured by White-Rodgers many of the terminal
>letters matched up for the most part.
>
>If something didn't match I called White Rodgers, which is where I was
>told to connect the W wire (aka - 1st stage heat) to the B terminal
>(aka c/o valve heat). I was then told to connect the E wire (aka -
>emergency heat) to the W/E terminal (aka Emergency Mode 1st Stage). And
>then finally I was told to jumper the W/E and W2 terminals. My W2 wire
>(aka Aux. Heat) is plugged into the W2 terminal (aka - 2nd Stage Heat).


something dont make sense here, and that is connecting W to the B
terminal for a Trane heat pump condenser. The tranes i know energize
cooling on the O terminal. With no 24 v to the O terminal, the HP is
in heat mode.







>
>The problem is that after the heat pump cuts off I "believe" that the
>fan and the emergency heat remain on. I assume this cause I can here
>the house fan/blower still going and the temp will continue to rise as
>much as 10 degrees. I can also confirm that when the thermostat reaches
>target temp the heatpump stops humming and the fan of the heat pump
>stops moving. Hence, the heatpump turns off when target temp is
>reached.
>
>I used the thermostat all summer and the air-conditioning worked fine I
>also can turn the fan on and off fine when not in heat mode.
>
>Jake wrote:
>> > His problem is that its a heat pump and he shouldnt be messing with
>> > that many wires. Most homeowners cant figure out more than about 4
>> > wires. Especially when different manufactures use different terminal
>> > designations for the same terminal. X, C, B and a host of others are
>> > all the same terminal. He will understand though after he lets the
>> > smoke out.
>> > Bubba
>>
>> OK Bubba... now you've got me puzzled. I know one of our older
>> buildings... 1987 I think... has a Trane very similar to this. Two stage
>> electric backup pack.
>>
>> Aren't W2 and E two different things in that scenario... and doesn't
>> this unit (like a lot of them) call for the fan when backup is active?
>>
>> We had a Carrier Commercial stat do this same exact thing on a unit...
>> the contractor screwed with it forever and then one afternoon I got my
>> meter out and started diagnosing things.
>>
>> First thing wrong was that the Day of Week was programmed wrong... thus
>> the setpoints would run the program incorrectly. Next was that the stat
>> called for fan all the time for some reason I can't remember now...
>> except that it had to do with 2nd stage heat vs. E. As I remember,
>> removing a jumper took care of it.
>>
>> Jake


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Posted by Jake on November 26, 2006, 1:27 pm

> something dont make sense here, and that is connecting W to the B
> terminal for a Trane heat pump condenser. The tranes i know energize
> cooling on the O terminal. With no 24 v to the O terminal, the HP is
> in heat mode.
>

Hah... you're right Fish. I missed that one.

Shouldn't it be either O Or B connected to something... but not both?

AS with you... I think our two little Tranes are energize O on cool.

Good catch....

Jake

Posted by PrecisionMachinisT on November 26, 2006, 2:00 pm

>
> > something dont make sense here, and that is connecting W to the B
> > terminal for a Trane heat pump condenser. The tranes i know energize
> > cooling on the O terminal. With no 24 v to the O terminal, the HP is
> > in heat mode.
> >
>
> Hah... you're right Fish. I missed that one.
>
> Shouldn't it be either O Or B connected to something... but not both?
>
> AS with you... I think our two little Tranes are energize O on cool.
>

If W is connected to either one well then the electric strips WILL get
activated, either upon some call or upon a no call....depends on the
defaults.

G isnt needed in order to activate the fan since each and every sequencer
also has an auxillary contact that serves to pull in the fan relay ( or high
speed fan relay if so equipped)--this insures that the fan indeed operates
regardless of whether the individual strips were setup to fire independantly
or together upon a single call ( w, w1,w2,w3 etc all being jumpered together
at the ahu as opposed to them being staged under thermostatic control )

Hard to put into words....but quite likely all that the OP needs to do is to
get that W wire off of the fricken B terminal and then move it and all the
other W wires down by a notch in the thermostat aux call precedence order.

--

SVL






Posted by on November 27, 2006, 1:38 pm
I just got off the phone with White-Rodgers tech support. He
recommended that I remove the jumper between the W/E and W2 terminals.
He also said that I could try removing the W wire (1st stage heat) from
the B terminal (c/o value heat). He said that W wouldn't serve a
purpuse in the B terminal.

But he feels the likley problem is the jumper between W/E (emergency
heat 1st stage) and W2 (heat mode 2nd stage).

He also confirmed that if I have an E wire going into W/E then I
shouldn't have W/E and W2 jumped. I do have an E wire going into W/E.


But the overall rec
PrecisionMachinisT wrote:
> >
> > > something dont make sense here, and that is connecting W to the B
> > > terminal for a Trane heat pump condenser. The tranes i know energize
> > > cooling on the O terminal. With no 24 v to the O terminal, the HP is
> > > in heat mode.
> > >
> >
> > Hah... you're right Fish. I missed that one.
> >
> > Shouldn't it be either O Or B connected to something... but not both?
> >
> > AS with you... I think our two little Tranes are energize O on cool.
> >
>
> If W is connected to either one well then the electric strips WILL get
> activated, either upon some call or upon a no call....depends on the
> defaults.
>
> G isnt needed in order to activate the fan since each and every sequencer
> also has an auxillary contact that serves to pull in the fan relay ( or high
> speed fan relay if so equipped)--this insures that the fan indeed operates
> regardless of whether the individual strips were setup to fire independantly
> or together upon a single call ( w, w1,w2,w3 etc all being jumpered together
> at the ahu as opposed to them being staged under thermostatic control )
>
> Hard to put into words....but quite likely all that the OP needs to do is to
> get that W wire off of the fricken B terminal and then move it and all the
> other W wires down by a notch in the thermostat aux call precedence order.
>
> --
>
> SVL


Posted by PrecisionMachinisT on November 27, 2006, 7:36 pm


>
> He also said that I could try removing the W wire (1st stage heat) from
> the B terminal (c/o value heat). He said that W wouldn't serve a
> purpuse in the B terminal.
>

Only purpose it will serve if you leave it there will be to cause the unit
to continue malfunctioning.

>
> But he feels the likley problem is the jumper between W/E (emergency
> heat 1st stage) and W2 (heat mode 2nd stage).
>

Without doubt he's a moron then.

>
> He also confirmed that if I have an E wire going into W/E then I
> shouldn't have W/E and W2 jumped. I do have an E wire going into W/E.
>

If you like, go ahead and jumper all of the "W wires" AND "W terminals"
together--and also connect the "E wire" to them...all in all, this will
cause no real ill effect.

--

SVL




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