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First time home owner: Furnace questions. Please help!! Topper 07-30-2006
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Posted by Topper on July 30, 2006, 3:17 am
Hi,

The heating/air conditioner system in our new house is about to be
installed in the next few days. The heating/air conditioner tech
mentioned that the price of our home includes a Maytag 100k BTU furnace
and a 14 SEER air conditioner (forget the brand), both with 10/10
warranties.

a) Is the Maytag 100k BTU, 92.5% AFUE efficiency furnace the right
capacity furnace for our house? Our house is a three level (Two
finished floors and unfinished walk-out basement) 3300 sqft house in
Minnesota.

b) As I understand from my builder and heating technician, they will
also be extending 6 heating ducts to the basement floor to provide heat
runs as an alternative way to heat the basement instead of spending
extra money on heated floors. How well does this method of heating the
basement compare to the traditional heated floors?

The heating tech suggested adding a couple items:
c) A variable speed motor - He mentioned this is an ECM motor (invented
by GE when they owned Trane) and said it would be lot more quiet
compared to the standard A/C motor, especially in the "continuous mode"
and more efficient. He said they already build the ducts in the house
big enough to make the most efficient use of the ECM motor. I did some
research on the internet, including this site, and his claims about the
advantages of ECM motor seem to be valid. A lot of other heating techs
on the net seem to highly recommend these, especially for new and
replacement furnaces. I wonder, however, what would be a reasonable
upgrade price for this motor for our furnace? I've seen prices for
new/replacement ECM motors on the Internet of ~$500. The furnace tech
has quoted us additional cost $550 to go with the ECM motor - however,
if we are "exchanging" the regular A/C motor with the D/C motor,
shouldn't we be getting some credit for the cost of the A/C motor? Does
the upgrade price for the ECM motor seem reasonable?

d) Finally, the heating tech suggested putting a Trion Media filter
system with 5" media filter instead of the standard 1" filter system
normally installed by the builder. He said these are quite cost
effective compared to the standard filter system and we would recover
the additional cost ($295) in a few years by the savings in the
replacement filter costs. Does the upgrade price for the filter system
seem reasonable?

Would appreciate any feedback on these four questions from experts on
this forum.

Thanks,
-Topper


Posted by John on July 30, 2006, 7:33 pm

> Hi,
>
> The heating/air conditioner system in our new house is about to be
> installed in the next few days. The heating/air conditioner tech
> mentioned that the price of our home includes a Maytag 100k BTU furnace
> and a 14 SEER air conditioner (forget the brand), both with 10/10
> warranties.
>
> a) Is the Maytag 100k BTU, 92.5% AFUE efficiency furnace the right
> capacity furnace for our house? Our house is a three level (Two
> finished floors and unfinished walk-out basement) 3300 sqft house in
> Minnesota.

Sounds about right, it's ok to oversize a condensing furnace actually runs
more efficiently.

>
> b) As I understand from my builder and heating technician, they will
> also be extending 6 heating ducts to the basement floor to provide heat
> runs as an alternative way to heat the basement instead of spending
> extra money on heated floors. How well does this method of heating the
> basement compare to the traditional heated floors?

Probably much less expensive

>
> The heating tech suggested adding a couple items:
> c) A variable speed motor - He mentioned this is an ECM motor (invented
> by GE when they owned Trane) and said it would be lot more quiet
> compared to the standard A/C motor, especially in the "continuous mode"
> and more efficient. He said they already build the ducts in the house
> big enough to make the most efficient use of the ECM motor. I did some
> research on the internet, including this site, and his claims about the
> advantages of ECM motor seem to be valid. A lot of other heating techs
> on the net seem to highly recommend these, especially for new and
> replacement furnaces. I wonder, however, what would be a reasonable
> upgrade price for this motor for our furnace? I've seen prices for
> new/replacement ECM motors on the Internet of ~$500. The furnace tech
> has quoted us additional cost $550 to go with the ECM motor - however,
> if we are "exchanging" the regular A/C motor with the D/C motor,
> shouldn't we be getting some credit for the cost of the A/C motor? Does
> the upgrade price for the ECM motor seem reasonable?

No, the "credit" is included already. Yes, mine was $650. If electricity is
cheap ECM benefits are only noise and more even temps

> d) Finally, the heating tech suggested putting a Trion Media filter
> system with 5" media filter instead of the standard 1" filter system
> normally installed by the builder. He said these are quite cost
> effective compared to the standard filter system and we would recover
> the additional cost ($295) in a few years by the savings in the
> replacement filter costs. Does the upgrade price for the filter system
> seem reasonable?
>

No, unless you have allergy problems I would go with a standard washable
filter that costs about $5 and last 2 years.

Try posting in http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=1 they
are much more helpful in there.



Posted by Noon-Air on July 30, 2006, 9:23 pm

>
> No, unless you have allergy problems I would go with a standard washable
> filter that costs about $5 and last 2 years.

I have a stack of those plastic filters in the trash that I have changed out
in the last month..... stick with a MERV 7 or MERV8 disposable, pleated
filter.... causes a whole lot less restriction in the air flow. They just
have to be changed every month.



Posted by HeatMan on July 31, 2006, 7:16 pm

>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The heating/air conditioner system in our new house is about to be
> > installed in the next few days. The heating/air conditioner tech
> > mentioned that the price of our home includes a Maytag 100k BTU furnace
> > and a 14 SEER air conditioner (forget the brand), both with 10/10
> > warranties.
> >
> > a) Is the Maytag 100k BTU, 92.5% AFUE efficiency furnace the right
> > capacity furnace for our house? Our house is a three level (Two
> > finished floors and unfinished walk-out basement) 3300 sqft house in
> > Minnesota.
>
> Sounds about right, it's ok to oversize a condensing furnace actually runs
> more efficiently.
>
> >
> > b) As I understand from my builder and heating technician, they will
> > also be extending 6 heating ducts to the basement floor to provide heat
> > runs as an alternative way to heat the basement instead of spending
> > extra money on heated floors. How well does this method of heating the
> > basement compare to the traditional heated floors?
>
> Probably much less expensive
>

What price is your comfort?

Heated floors put the heat down low, where your extremeties need it instead
of up high.




Posted by on July 31, 2006, 9:53 pm
"HeatMan" wrote:

>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > The heating/air conditioner system in our new house is about to be
>> > installed in the next few days. The heating/air conditioner tech
>> > mentioned that the price of our home includes a Maytag 100k BTU furnace
>> > and a 14 SEER air conditioner (forget the brand), both with 10/10
>> > warranties.
>> >
>> > a) Is the Maytag 100k BTU, 92.5% AFUE efficiency furnace the right
>> > capacity furnace for our house? Our house is a three level (Two
>> > finished floors and unfinished walk-out basement) 3300 sqft house in
>> > Minnesota.
>>
>> Sounds about right, it's ok to oversize a condensing furnace actually runs
>> more efficiently.
>>
>> >
>> > b) As I understand from my builder and heating technician, they will
>> > also be extending 6 heating ducts to the basement floor to provide heat
>> > runs as an alternative way to heat the basement instead of spending
>> > extra money on heated floors. How well does this method of heating the
>> > basement compare to the traditional heated floors?
>>
>> Probably much less expensive
>>
>
>What price is your comfort?
>
>Heated floors put the heat down low, where your extremeties need it instead
>of up high.
>
>


Ssssshhh Dont tell John or the OP how absolutely fantastic radiant
heat is compared to forced air heat, also dont tell them about the
additional costs and expense of running a humidifier in the winter
months to counter-act all the dryness they're going to be encountering
with the forced air heat.

HELL YES the basement floor should have radiant hydronic heating !!
Add a few snow-melt loops for the sidewalk, front steps, maybe the
driveway, etc. Try doing snow-melt with forced air heating!!

People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building their castles,
then want to go cheap on the one system that provides them their
comfort 24/7. Then they whine they're not hot enough or cold enough
or the system makes noise or bla bla bla.

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