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Furnace Install questions justintime4619 10-17-2007
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Posted by on October 17, 2007, 7:01 pm

> On Oct 17, 11:42 am, justintime4...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Been doing some research and could use the help of the experts on a
> > couple of things. I had 5 HVAC companies come to my house for
> > estimates on replacing my 50 year old 90,000 btu furnace for my 1500
> > sq. ft. ranch in N.W. OH. The estimates where similar in terms of
> > cost for most, so I am going with the installer that I trust the most
> > and received good feedback on from references ( BTW - none of the
> > installers did a manual J calc, most where just concerned with how to
> > get the exhaust out). My questions for the group are these.
> > 1) Do I go with a Trane or Armstrong, both are the 90 plus percent
> > efficient, but the Trane cost an extra $425. What does an extra 425
> > get me?
> > 2) The contractor I am going with recommended a flue liner for $210
> > for the hot water heater exhaust. Is that necessary/recommended,
> > would it be better to skip the liner and route the water heater
> > exhaust throught the same PVC that is being run out the roof for the
> > furnace ( the furnace and water heater are next to one another)
> > 3) Is it ok to run the PVC exhaust through an unheated garage to the
> > roof. It will be hugging the wall, but do I need to insulate the
> > pipe?
> > 4) One installer recommended replacing the coil, while this guy said
> > to wait. Why would I replace the coil, is it recommended?
> > 5) As far as sizing, all the contractors quoted something different.
> > The guy I trust the most said 60,000 btu but I had others that
> > recommended 90,000. What are the implications of undersizing/
> > oversizing. Is a manual J calc absolutely necessary or is a trained
> > eye who is familiar with the neighborhood construction able to tell
> > from experience.
> > Any feedback is appreciated.
>
> You would probably have to replace your hot water heater in order to
> exhaust it via pvc.
>
> It's probably ok to run the pvc along a garage wall. How about out
> the side instead of through the roof?
>
> Coil should match the ac unit so leave it alone until you replace the
> ac.
>
> The effects of oversizing heat is not as detrimental as oversizing ac
> to a point. Grossly oversized would create comfort problems.
> Undersized simply may not provide enough heat on very cold days.


You must be the contractor wanting to install the 90K unit

Why don't you learn something before you spew more of your inaccurate shit?




Posted by =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= on October 17, 2007, 9:08 pm
posted for all of us...

> Been doing some research

Evidently is wasn't done here you nimrod. All of these questions have been
asked and answered before.

Therefore my advice is go cheap - as cheap as you can - so you will have money
to fix it when the hack is done.

> Any feedback is appreciated.
>
>
You are certainly welcome there Mr Justalittlelate
--
Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service.

Posted by Stormin Mormon \(on backup com on October 17, 2007, 9:51 pm
Been doing some research and could use the help of the experts on a
couple of things. I had 5 HVAC companies come to my house for
estimates on replacing my 50 year old 90,000 btu furnace for my 1500
sq. ft. ranch in N.W. OH. The estimates where similar in terms of
cost for most, so I am going with the installer that I trust the most
and received good feedback on from references ( BTW - none of the
installers did a manual J calc, most where just concerned with how to
get the exhaust out). My questions for the group are these.
1) Do I go with a Trane or Armstrong, both are the 90 plus percent
efficient, but the Trane cost an extra $425. What does an extra 425
get me?

CY: The Trane give you obscure parts which are expensive to replace. And
often only available through Trane dealers. You can expect to pay more for
service, and have fewer companies who can provide service.

2) The contractor I am going with recommended a flue liner for $210
for the hot water heater exhaust. Is that necessary/recommended,
would it be better to skip the liner and route the water heater
exhaust throught the same PVC that is being run out the roof for the
furnace ( the furnace and water heater are next to one another)

CY: I'd go with the flue liner. Please don't share a chimney if possible.

3) Is it ok to run the PVC exhaust through an unheated garage to the
roof. It will be hugging the wall, but do I need to insulate the
pipe?

CY: By the time the 90+ gasses are sent out, they are pretty cool. I'd
suggest to run the pipe horizontal, and go out a side wall if at all
possible. Pumping cold air uphill isn't very effective.

4) One installer recommended replacing the coil, while this guy said
to wait. Why would I replace the coil, is it recommended?

CY: new coil less likely to leak freon. Also more energy efficient. If you
can afford the coil, please do.

5) As far as sizing, all the contractors quoted something different.
The guy I trust the most said 60,000 btu but I had others that
recommended 90,000. What are the implications of undersizing/
oversizing. Is a manual J calc absolutely necessary or is a trained
eye who is familiar with the neighborhood construction able to tell
from experience.

CY: Oversized furnace won't run as often, you'll get temperature swings.
Under sized, and your house will be cold during the coldest days of winter.
You might need a space heater or a couple burners on the stove to help keep
the house warm. I'd go with the smaller furnace.

Any feedback is appreciated.

CY: I tend to give more credence to people who speak politely, using polite
terms. I have less confidence in people who curse and swear.



Posted by on October 17, 2007, 10:56 pm

> Been doing some research and could use the help of the experts on a
> couple of things. I had 5 HVAC companies come to my house for
> estimates on replacing my 50 year old 90,000 btu furnace for my 1500
> sq. ft. ranch in N.W. OH. The estimates where similar in terms of
> cost for most, so I am going with the installer that I trust the most
> and received good feedback on from references ( BTW - none of the
> installers did a manual J calc, most where just concerned with how to
> get the exhaust out). My questions for the group are these.
> 1) Do I go with a Trane or Armstrong, both are the 90 plus percent
> efficient, but the Trane cost an extra $425. What does an extra 425
> get me?
>
> CY: The Trane give you obscure parts which are expensive to replace. And
> often only available through Trane dealers. You can expect to pay more for
> service, and have fewer companies who can provide service.


Bullshit, I don't sell Trane and I have absolutely no problem getting Trane
OEM factory parts.
Once again, maybe you should get a clue.


> 2) The contractor I am going with recommended a flue liner for $210
> for the hot water heater exhaust. Is that necessary/recommended,
> would it be better to skip the liner and route the water heater
> exhaust throught the same PVC that is being run out the roof for the
> furnace ( the furnace and water heater are next to one another)
>
> CY: I'd go with the flue liner. Please don't share a chimney if possible.


Only 'if possible', how's about 'it's not fucking right to do it'?


> 3) Is it ok to run the PVC exhaust through an unheated garage to the
> roof. It will be hugging the wall, but do I need to insulate the
> pipe?
>
> CY: By the time the 90+ gasses are sent out, they are pretty cool. I'd
> suggest to run the pipe horizontal, and go out a side wall if at all
> possible. Pumping cold air uphill isn't very effective.


Since when is the exhaust gases 'cold'???


> 4) One installer recommended replacing the coil, while this guy said
> to wait. Why would I replace the coil, is it recommended?
>
> CY: new coil less likely to leak freon. Also more energy efficient. If you
> can afford the coil, please do.


This isn't always the case, but you wouldn't be able to understand the facts
if I posted them.


> 5) As far as sizing, all the contractors quoted something different.
> The guy I trust the most said 60,000 btu but I had others that
> recommended 90,000. What are the implications of undersizing/
> oversizing. Is a manual J calc absolutely necessary or is a trained
> eye who is familiar with the neighborhood construction able to tell
> from experience.
>
> CY: Oversized furnace won't run as often, you'll get temperature swings.
> Under sized, and your house will be cold during the coldest days of
winter.
> You might need a space heater or a couple burners on the stove to help
keep
> the house warm. I'd go with the smaller furnace.
>
> Any feedback is appreciated.
>
> CY: I tend to give more credence to people who speak politely, using
polite
> terms. I have less confidence in people who curse and swear.


You're a clueless fucking retard.
Any day you want to challenge my knowledge against your stupidity, just let
me know. I'll make a fortune of the video.
Movie title "Stumped Stupid goes Hacking... saved by The Professor"



Posted by zero on October 18, 2007, 12:52 am

> Been doing some research and could use the help of the experts on a
> couple of things. I had 5 HVAC companies come to my house for
> estimates on replacing my 50 year old 90,000 btu furnace for my 1500
> sq. ft. ranch in N.W. OH. The estimates where similar in terms of
> cost for most, so I am going with the installer that I trust the most
> and received good feedback on from references ( BTW - none of the
> installers did a manual J calc, most where just concerned with how to
> get the exhaust out). My questions for the group are these.
> 1) Do I go with a Trane or Armstrong, both are the 90 plus percent
> efficient, but the Trane cost an extra $425. What does an extra 425
> get me?
>
> CY: The Trane give you obscure parts which are expensive to replace. And
> often only available through Trane dealers. You can expect to pay more for
> service, and have fewer companies who can provide service.
>
> 2) The contractor I am going with recommended a flue liner for $210
> for the hot water heater exhaust. Is that necessary/recommended,
> would it be better to skip the liner and route the water heater
> exhaust throught the same PVC that is being run out the roof for the
> furnace ( the furnace and water heater are next to one another)
>
> CY: I'd go with the flue liner. Please don't share a chimney if possible.
>
> 3) Is it ok to run the PVC exhaust through an unheated garage to the
> roof. It will be hugging the wall, but do I need to insulate the
> pipe?
>
> CY: By the time the 90+ gasses are sent out, they are pretty cool. I'd
> suggest to run the pipe horizontal, and go out a side wall if at all
> possible. Pumping cold air uphill isn't very effective.

Will_you_PLEASE!.....

http://www.hvacbooks.com/



> 4) One installer recommended replacing the coil, while this guy said
> to wait. Why would I replace the coil, is it recommended?
>
> CY: new coil less likely to leak freon. Also more energy efficient. If you
> can afford the coil, please do.
>
> 5) As far as sizing, all the contractors quoted something different.
> The guy I trust the most said 60,000 btu but I had others that
> recommended 90,000. What are the implications of undersizing/
> oversizing. Is a manual J calc absolutely necessary or is a trained
> eye who is familiar with the neighborhood construction able to tell
> from experience.
>
> CY: Oversized furnace won't run as often, you'll get temperature swings.
> Under sized, and your house will be cold during the coldest days of
> winter.
> You might need a space heater or a couple burners on the stove to help
> keep
> the house warm. I'd go with the smaller furnace.
>
> Any feedback is appreciated.
>
> CY: I tend to give more credence to people who speak politely, using
> polite
> terms. I have less confidence in people who curse and swear.

Well there you go,,, you've just busted your own myth.

-zero



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