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Posted by =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= on November 16, 2008, 10:04 pm

Noon-Air posted for all of us...

>
> Don, I have to disagree on the gasohol... as far as being a lousy fuel... My
> own experiences have proven to me that ita a lot better than just straight
> gasoline. Not only in better performance, and better fuel economy, but its
> that much less dependence on fossil fuels and its more environmentally
> friendly.
>
>

Steve, I have to disagree with you on performance & economy. In PA we can
sometimes buy fuel with MTBE in it instead of ethanol. Both go up.
From what I have read ethanol is known for this.
--
Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service.

Posted by Steve on November 16, 2008, 11:39 pm

> Noon-Air posted for all of us...

>> Don, I have to disagree on the gasohol... as far as being a lousy fuel...
>> My
>> own experiences have proven to me that ita a lot better than just
>> straight
>> gasoline. Not only in better performance, and better fuel economy, but
>> its
>> that much less dependence on fossil fuels and its more environmentally
>> friendly.

> Steve, I have to disagree with you on performance & economy. In PA we can
> sometimes buy fuel with MTBE in it instead of ethanol. Both go up.
> From what I have read ethanol is known for this.

MTBE is a known carcinogen, and collects in the ground water as well as
being dispursed in the air. the MTBE blend that was used in California
*REDUCED* power, efficiency and fuel economy by 15%, and just 2 years after
they started using it, they found it in the lakes, the rivers, the ground
water, and in the air.

Posted by Don Ocean on November 16, 2008, 10:17 pm

Noon-Air wrote:

>> Stormy:
>> It is a lousy fuel. It takes more energy to produce then it will expend.
>> It costs the taxpayer 55 cents a mixed gallon and it still can't
>> compete. The farmers love it. They pay $10,000 per share for the company
>> and usually buy several shares. This ownership gives them a guarantee of
>> a locked in high price for their corn and other alcohol producing crops.
>> This in turn has caused the companies to declare bankruptcies in a
>> down market that we are now in. The largest 2 producers along with
>> about 9 smaller producers are here in South Dakota. The farmers are
>> having another Bumper crop year, but require higher prices as the fuel
>> costs and petroleum based fertilizers, insect sprays, etc have taken a
>> helluva a toll. A friend of mine borrowed over $800,000 in a
>> production loan this year. That is getting real common. many have
>> borrowed several $million to install windfarms. One super windmill
>> costs about $1.8 million and is projected to recover its investment
>> plus profit in 7 years. I believe Hell will freeze over first.

>
> Don, I have to disagree on the gasohol... as far as being a lousy
> fuel... My own experiences have proven to me that ita a lot better than
> just straight gasoline. Not only in better performance, and better fuel
> economy, but its that much less dependence on fossil fuels and its more
> environmentally friendly.

E85 that the state vehicles use produces about 14 mpg. Standard 10
percent drops my little van from 21 to 19 mpg. Yes it is more
environmentally friendly and it does not leave residue in your cylinders
or fuel injectors. The major residue left by real gasoline is the
additives. In the winter gasoline there is a lot more additives that
leave residue in the engine, tank and fuel system. Also while gasoline
sours rather quickly.. It does not sour as fast with an alcohol mix in
it. I state again, that it should not be subsidized by the taxpayer.

We also have 27% gasohol that the newer flex fuel cars can burn. But
most that have them around here will only use 10% gasohol. I don't know
why..I guess I will have to ask. Soy diesel has been a dismal failure.
The truck companies that used it for a while have totally condemned it
as not viable for the long haul trade. All farmers and Ranchers I know
refuse to use it. Many of our lads have ranches and farms that are a bit
remote and can be inaccessible in winter. Thus they do a lot of their
own repair work. I use 10% in my small engines, Snowblowers, Lawn
mowers, generators, etc. Gasohol has a higher octane ratio as the
alcohol has a higher ignition temperature and a much lower BTU(energy)
rate then straight gasoline. Thus by the laws of physics, Alcohol
produces less energy then gasoline.

Posted by Stormin Mormon on November 17, 2008, 12:38 am

I've considered using gasohol in my snow blower. Less risk of alcohol in the
carb, and having to take it all apart. Same deal with the other vehicles,
run a galon or two of gasohol every few weeks, to keep the water out of the
system. Same idea as using "dry gas" but don't have to do my own mixing.
Others tell me the alcohol content sucks water out of the air. I'm not sure
who to believe.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

I use 10% in my small engines, Snowblowers, Lawn
mowers, generators, etc. Gasohol has a higher octane ratio as the
alcohol has a higher ignition temperature and a much lower BTU(energy)
rate then straight gasoline. Thus by the laws of physics, Alcohol
produces less energy then gasoline.

Posted by Zyp on November 17, 2008, 1:06 am

Stormin Mormon wrote:

> I've considered using gasohol in my snow blower. Less risk of alcohol
> in the carb, and having to take it all apart. Same deal with the
> other vehicles, run a galon or two of gasohol every few weeks, to
> keep the water out of the system. Same idea as using "dry gas" but
> don't have to do my own mixing. Others tell me the alcohol content
> sucks water out of the air. I'm not sure who to believe.
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
> I use 10% in my small engines, Snowblowers, Lawn
> mowers, generators, etc. Gasohol has a higher octane ratio as the
> alcohol has a higher ignition temperature and a much lower BTU(energy)
> rate then straight gasoline. Thus by the laws of physics, Alcohol
> produces less energy then gasoline.

I use a nitro mix for my model airplanes, and I've been told the shelf life
is only 6 mos. [It has a base mostly of alcohol ] I've heard that E85
tears up the seals? Don't know for sure.

--
Zyp

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