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Generators and Electronic Furnace Controllers Rick Brandt 12-04-2006
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Posted by Rick Brandt on December 4, 2006, 5:43 pm
I live in St Louis and just got power back after losing it for four days for the
second time in one year.

The first time was in the summer and was merely inconvenient. This time I had
to have a way to keep the furnace running. I first borrowed a generator
(3550w), but I started feeling bad about putting so many hours on someone else's
unit and figured it was time I had my own so I went out and bought a Coleman
5000w with the Suzuki 10hp engine.

Problem (with both but more so with the new one) is that generator power is not
clean enough for my new-fangled electronically controlled furnace (Trane hv-80).
With the borrowed unit the board kept flashing an error code that basically
indicated to replace the controller board. Fiddling around with it for a while
and I was able to get it running. With the new one the glow igniter comes on
and apparently causes enough of a voltage fluctuation to disrupt the controller
board and I get a "check igniter" error code.

Do other people have these problems? Between the midwest and the gulf coast we
certainly have plenty of people who occasionally have to run on generators and
electronically controlled furnaces are pretty much the norm now. Is my Trane
just being particularly fussy? Everything else we powered off the generators
ran great.

Of course the "cover our ass" page of the generator manual suggests getting a
line conditioner for just about anything that's not a light bulb. Do I really
have to drop a few hundred more dollars on one of those just to get my furnace
to run?

By the way, what convinced me that this was the problem was that the furnace
fired right up when I temporarily ran it thought my computer UPS. The UPS alarm
squalled like hell because it wasn't big enough, but the voltage as measured
with my voltmeter held much better and the furnace lit up. It would be nice if
I could isolate the power to run the controller board from those that pull major
amps so I could just get a conditioner for that, but it looks like everything
hooks straight to the board so I don't know if that can be done.

Naturally, four hours after I got the new generator running the utility company
got our power back up. I would still like to get a handle on this before the
next time.









Posted by Bubba on December 4, 2006, 5:51 pm
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:43:05 GMT, "Rick Brandt"

>I live in St Louis and just got power back after losing it for four days for
the
>second time in one year.
>
>The first time was in the summer and was merely inconvenient. This time I had
>to have a way to keep the furnace running. I first borrowed a generator
>(3550w), but I started feeling bad about putting so many hours on someone
else's
>unit and figured it was time I had my own so I went out and bought a Coleman
>5000w with the Suzuki 10hp engine.
>
>Problem (with both but more so with the new one) is that generator power is not
>clean enough for my new-fangled electronically controlled furnace (Trane
hv-80).
>With the borrowed unit the board kept flashing an error code that basically
>indicated to replace the controller board. Fiddling around with it for a while
>and I was able to get it running. With the new one the glow igniter comes on
>and apparently causes enough of a voltage fluctuation to disrupt the controller
>board and I get a "check igniter" error code.
>
>Do other people have these problems? Between the midwest and the gulf coast we
>certainly have plenty of people who occasionally have to run on generators and
>electronically controlled furnaces are pretty much the norm now. Is my Trane
>just being particularly fussy? Everything else we powered off the generators
>ran great.
>
>Of course the "cover our ass" page of the generator manual suggests getting a
>line conditioner for just about anything that's not a light bulb. Do I really
>have to drop a few hundred more dollars on one of those just to get my furnace
>to run?
>
>By the way, what convinced me that this was the problem was that the furnace
>fired right up when I temporarily ran it thought my computer UPS. The UPS
alarm
>squalled like hell because it wasn't big enough, but the voltage as measured
>with my voltmeter held much better and the furnace lit up. It would be nice if
>I could isolate the power to run the controller board from those that pull
major
>amps so I could just get a conditioner for that, but it looks like everything
>hooks straight to the board so I don't know if that can be done.
>
>Naturally, four hours after I got the new generator running the utility company
>got our power back up. I would still like to get a handle on this before the
>next time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
It could have been something as simple as the generator/s weren't
grounded properly. The new stuff with circuit boards are very finicky
when it comes to a good ground.
Bubba

Posted by Rick Brandt on December 4, 2006, 6:01 pm
> It could have been something as simple as the generator/s weren't
> grounded properly. The new stuff with circuit boards are very finicky
> when it comes to a good ground.
> Bubba

Are you just talking about earth ground (rod) or does it need to be grounded to
the safety ground in the house?



Posted by Stormin Mormon on December 4, 2006, 10:27 pm
Both. Of course, if you wired the furnace into your generator using a
three wire cord (third wire being ground) that should take care of it.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

> It could have been something as simple as the generator/s weren't
> grounded properly. The new stuff with circuit boards are very
finicky
> when it comes to a good ground.
> Bubba

Are you just talking about earth ground (rod) or does it need to be
grounded to
the safety ground in the house?




Posted by Smarty on December 4, 2006, 6:14 pm
I second that opinion. I live in an area of the U.S. which had an extended
power outage affecting several hundred thousand homes earlier this year, and
our climate is, like many cities in the Northeast, very cold in the winter.
Many homes with high efficiency newer furnaces had generator
incompatibilities, but inadequate generator grounding was an extremely
common problem which caused many furnaces not to work properly.

It is not surprising that permanently installed generators like my Generac
Guardian require an 8 foot long solid copper 5/8th inch diameter rod to be
driven into the ground and bonded electrically immediately next to the
generator.

Smarty


> On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:43:05 GMT, "Rick Brandt"
>
>>I live in St Louis and just got power back after losing it for four days
>>for the
>>second time in one year.
>>
>>The first time was in the summer and was merely inconvenient. This time I
>>had
>>to have a way to keep the furnace running. I first borrowed a generator
>>(3550w), but I started feeling bad about putting so many hours on someone
>>else's
>>unit and figured it was time I had my own so I went out and bought a
>>Coleman
>>5000w with the Suzuki 10hp engine.
>>
>>Problem (with both but more so with the new one) is that generator power
>>is not
>>clean enough for my new-fangled electronically controlled furnace (Trane
>>hv-80).
>>With the borrowed unit the board kept flashing an error code that
>>basically
>>indicated to replace the controller board. Fiddling around with it for a
>>while
>>and I was able to get it running. With the new one the glow igniter comes
>>on
>>and apparently causes enough of a voltage fluctuation to disrupt the
>>controller
>>board and I get a "check igniter" error code.
>>
>>Do other people have these problems? Between the midwest and the gulf
>>coast we
>>certainly have plenty of people who occasionally have to run on generators
>>and
>>electronically controlled furnaces are pretty much the norm now. Is my
>>Trane
>>just being particularly fussy? Everything else we powered off the
>>generators
>>ran great.
>>
>>Of course the "cover our ass" page of the generator manual suggests
>>getting a
>>line conditioner for just about anything that's not a light bulb. Do I
>>really
>>have to drop a few hundred more dollars on one of those just to get my
>>furnace
>>to run?
>>
>>By the way, what convinced me that this was the problem was that the
>>furnace
>>fired right up when I temporarily ran it thought my computer UPS. The UPS
>>alarm
>>squalled like hell because it wasn't big enough, but the voltage as
>>measured
>>with my voltmeter held much better and the furnace lit up. It would be
>>nice if
>>I could isolate the power to run the controller board from those that pull
>>major
>>amps so I could just get a conditioner for that, but it looks like
>>everything
>>hooks straight to the board so I don't know if that can be done.
>>
>>Naturally, four hours after I got the new generator running the utility
>>company
>>got our power back up. I would still like to get a handle on this before
>>the
>>next time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> It could have been something as simple as the generator/s weren't
> grounded properly. The new stuff with circuit boards are very finicky
> when it comes to a good ground.
> Bubba



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