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Posted by on September 10, 2006, 7:57 pm
I have cracks in the heat exchangers in 2 yes 2 different gas furnaces
so both will have to be replaced. They are 18 years old and I did have
2 different companies come out to check them. I did not tell the second
one that there were cracks I just had them come to do a preseason
check. Both techs found the cracks in the exact same spots so they must
be there. Each one told me that I needed to put in 90% dual stage with
variable speed fan furnaces. The more I am reading the more I am
thinking that that is not what I want to put in. Let's take into
account that I cannot afford to put that in unless absolutely my only
choice. One unit will be a 2 ton and the other a 2.5 ton. I am in
Colorado. For the money what would be the best furnace to put in. One
recommended American Standard the other Trane. What brands are most
reliable? Thanks for your inputs.
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Posted by Bubba on September 10, 2006, 8:46 pm
On 10 Sep 2006 16:57:06 -0700, yellowdogs1@msn.com wrote:
>I have cracks in the heat exchangers in 2 yes 2 different gas furnaces
>so both will have to be replaced. They are 18 years old and I did have
>2 different companies come out to check them. I did not tell the second
>one that there were cracks I just had them come to do a preseason
>check. Both techs found the cracks in the exact same spots so they must
>be there. Each one told me that I needed to put in 90% dual stage with
>variable speed fan furnaces. The more I am reading the more I am
>thinking that that is not what I want to put in. Let's take into
>account that I cannot afford to put that in unless absolutely my only
>choice. One unit will be a 2 ton and the other a 2.5 ton. I am in
>Colorado. For the money what would be the best furnace to put in. One
>recommended American Standard the other Trane. What brands are most
>reliable? Thanks for your inputs.
The brand put in by the most reliable, competent, insured, licensed
hvac contractor. Focus on the contractor, not the "box".
Bubba
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Posted by Power's Mechanical on September 12, 2006, 10:11 pm
Bubba wrote:
> On 10 Sep 2006 16:57:06 -0700, yellowdogs1@msn.com wrote:
> >I have cracks in the heat exchangers in 2 yes 2 different gas furnaces
> >so both will have to be replaced. They are 18 years old and I did have
> >2 different companies come out to check them. I did not tell the second
> >one that there were cracks I just had them come to do a preseason
> >check. Both techs found the cracks in the exact same spots so they must
> >be there. Each one told me that I needed to put in 90% dual stage with
> >variable speed fan furnaces. The more I am reading the more I am
> >thinking that that is not what I want to put in. Let's take into
> >account that I cannot afford to put that in unless absolutely my only
> >choice. One unit will be a 2 ton and the other a 2.5 ton. I am in
> >Colorado. For the money what would be the best furnace to put in. One
> >recommended American Standard the other Trane. What brands are most
> >reliable? Thanks for your inputs.
Pj our resident crack puppet suggested that youre getting ripped off
because they didnt show you the cracks. He assumes you asked I guess.
Disregard his BS and listen to me.
Your question is which furnace is best, a two stage variable speed
furnace or something less. In your climate I would reccomend a 90
plus. It will probably pay for itself in five years, give or take.
Dont consider anything less than a 90 percent or better furnace. FWIW
I think Amana has the highest effiency rating at 94-6 percent.
Now, do you want get to the regular 90 or a variable speed two stage
90. In reality one over the other is not noticebly cheaper to run over
the course of a season. Your probably talking dollars instead of
hundreds of dollars ok. The big differance is in comfort with the
variable speed two stage being the tops in comfort. The question is
how comfortable do you want to be, and at what cost. Keep in mind that
the more bells and whistles there are, the more it going to cost in
repair.
They say here that the contractor is important and that is true to a
degree. They say that here because most of these guys are one man
shows and they are the "contractor". I know, thats a scarey thought
but remember, its not so much the company name that is important as it
is the individual actually doing the work.
The most important thing to remember in this group is Pj is nothing
but a scum bag hacker who is only here to spam his bug and spyware
ridden software. Everything he knows about HVAC is due to his lurking
here for 10 years and Google. Take his shit for the grain of salt it
is and good luck.
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Posted by daytona on September 11, 2006, 7:13 am
At this point in the economy and price of utilities.......the most efficient
is the way to go. The variable speed DC motor will also give you the most
savings for your investment dollar. The return on the investment will be
faster in MOST cases.
American-Standard and Trane are the same equipment, made by the same
manufacture "American-Standard"...who owns Trane.
Also there is a 10 year parts and labor that can be purchased to cover you
for any break downs. But if you read Consumer Reports...you can see that A/S
& Trane are in the top 3......and Rudd and Rudd are in the top 4-5 slots.
Other name brands .... surprisingly are DOWN the list.
YOUR CHOICE...my $.02
>I have cracks in the heat exchangers in 2 yes 2 different gas furnaces
> so both will have to be replaced. They are 18 years old and I did have
> 2 different companies come out to check them. I did not tell the second
> one that there were cracks I just had them come to do a preseason
> check. Both techs found the cracks in the exact same spots so they must
> be there. Each one told me that I needed to put in 90% dual stage with
> variable speed fan furnaces. The more I am reading the more I am
> thinking that that is not what I want to put in. Let's take into
> account that I cannot afford to put that in unless absolutely my only
> choice. One unit will be a 2 ton and the other a 2.5 ton. I am in
> Colorado. For the money what would be the best furnace to put in. One
> recommended American Standard the other Trane. What brands are most
> reliable? Thanks for your inputs.
>
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Posted by daytona on September 11, 2006, 9:18 am
>I have cracks in the heat exchangers in 2 yes 2 different gas furnaces
> so both will have to be replaced. They are 18 years old and I did have
> 2 different companies come out to check them. I did not tell the second
> one that there were cracks I just had them come to do a preseason
> check. Both techs found the cracks in the exact same spots so they must
> be there. Each one told me that I needed to put in 90% dual stage with
> variable speed fan furnaces. The more I am reading the more I am
> thinking that that is not what I want to put in. Let's take into
> account that I cannot afford to put that in unless absolutely my only
> choice. One unit will be a 2 ton and the other a 2.5 ton. I am in
> Colorado. For the money what would be the best furnace to put in. One
> recommended American Standard the other Trane. What brands are most
> reliable? Thanks for your inputs.
At this point in the economy and price of utilities.......the most efficient
is the way to go. The variable speed DC motor will also give you the most
savings for your investment dollar. The return on the investment will be
faster in MOST cases.
American-Standard and Trane are the same equipment, made by the same
manufacture "American-Standard"...who owns Trane.
Also there is a 10 year parts and labor that can be purchased to cover you
for any break downs. But if you read Consumer Reports...you can see that A/S
& Trane are in the top 3......and Rudd and Rudd are in the top 4-5 slots.
Other name brands .... surprisingly are DOWN the list.
YOUR CHOICE...my $.02
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>so both will have to be replaced. They are 18 years old and I did have
>2 different companies come out to check them. I did not tell the second
>one that there were cracks I just had them come to do a preseason
>check. Both techs found the cracks in the exact same spots so they must
>be there. Each one told me that I needed to put in 90% dual stage with
>variable speed fan furnaces. The more I am reading the more I am
>thinking that that is not what I want to put in. Let's take into
>account that I cannot afford to put that in unless absolutely my only
>choice. One unit will be a 2 ton and the other a 2.5 ton. I am in
>Colorado. For the money what would be the best furnace to put in. One
>recommended American Standard the other Trane. What brands are most
>reliable? Thanks for your inputs.