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Homemoaner and the cost of freon olddog 01-03-2009
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Posted by KJPRO on January 4, 2009, 12:42 am

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>I was talking with a mechanical engineer from Airco about the time
>>>>>>>Christian Brothers charged me $375 for 4.5 lbs of Freon.
>>>>>>> The guy from Airco said that HVAC service companies tell the techs
>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>> a charge for over $300 or $400 no matter what they do to justify the
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> on the job. Christian Brothers charged me $455 for the service
>>>>>>> charge and
>>>>>>> the Freon.
>>>>>>> Olddog aka Homemoaner
>>>>>>Thats not too far off the mark. Even in rural south Mississippi I get
>>>>>>$363
>>>>>>for the service call and 4.5lbs of R-22
>>>>> How long is the service call.
>>>> Don't forget travel time.
>>> Well obviously grossly marking up Freon is common.
>>> http://www.koolit.net/prod_list.php?sci=3
>>> Christian Bros. has the right to charge what ever they want but I'm a
>>> potential long term customer that is going to need a new system very
>>> soon. Do you think it's a good idea to charge me that much?
>>> I'm in the city limits and Christian Bros. is local.
>>> Olddog
>> No! I think they should have done it for nothing!
>> This way they can go bankrupt and no longer give you quality service.
>> What in the hell are they thinking!?!?!
> Then everyone I've talked to (hvac professionals) with regards to the
> 1600% markup is crazy. It's just standard business practice?
> Interesting


It's interesting how you're trying to confuse facts with reality.

There's different ways to price products and services. No two companies
operate the same way. There's also the fact that MANY companies don't price
their service correctly and run themselves right out of business. A fact
that MANY people operate their business in different ways. Loss leaders,
selling equipment instead of making a repair, etc, etc...

You have to make money, period. Or you simply go under and are no longer in
business. That's a fact that you can't get around. Now there are companies
that subsidies their operations everyday. That doesn't mean that the service
you received was over priced. It just mean you didn't find one and are now
pissed that you paid $455 for a repair. I assume you approved the repair? If
it was so EXPENSIVE, why didn't you pay the service call and get a second
opinion?

If you want to take your little $455 repair as a complete lesson on how to
run a business, so be it. I on the other hand have the knowledge, skills,
experience and understanding that it takes to know how to run a profitable
company. But if you want a CHEAPER price on your next repair/installation, I
suggest you call GM/Ford/Chrysler... they will be able to met your needs, at
a price you can afford and make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Then we
can wait for the next Federal bailout plan for the automotive industry.

Get a clue!




Posted by olddog on January 4, 2009, 1:01 am

>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I was talking with a mechanical engineer from Airco about the time
>>>>>>>>Christian Brothers charged me $375 for 4.5 lbs of Freon.
>>>>>>>> The guy from Airco said that HVAC service companies tell the techs
>>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>>> a charge for over $300 or $400 no matter what they do to justify
>>>>>>>> the time
>>>>>>>> on the job. Christian Brothers charged me $455 for the service
>>>>>>>> charge and
>>>>>>>> the Freon.
>>>>>>>> Olddog aka Homemoaner
>>>>>>>Thats not too far off the mark. Even in rural south Mississippi I get
>>>>>>>$363
>>>>>>>for the service call and 4.5lbs of R-22
>>>>>> How long is the service call.
>>>>> Don't forget travel time.
>>>> Well obviously grossly marking up Freon is common.
>>>> http://www.koolit.net/prod_list.php?sci=3
>>>> Christian Bros. has the right to charge what ever they want but I'm a
>>>> potential long term customer that is going to need a new system very
>>>> soon. Do you think it's a good idea to charge me that much?
>>>> I'm in the city limits and Christian Bros. is local.
>>>> Olddog
>>> No! I think they should have done it for nothing!
>>> This way they can go bankrupt and no longer give you quality service.
>>> What in the hell are they thinking!?!?!
>> Then everyone I've talked to (hvac professionals) with regards to the
>> 1600% markup is crazy. It's just standard business practice?
>> Interesting
> It's interesting how you're trying to confuse facts with reality.
> There's different ways to price products and services. No two companies
> operate the same way. There's also the fact that MANY companies don't
> price their service correctly and run themselves right out of business. A
> fact that MANY people operate their business in different ways. Loss
> leaders, selling equipment instead of making a repair, etc, etc...
> You have to make money, period. Or you simply go under and are no longer
> in business. That's a fact that you can't get around. Now there are
> companies that subsidies their operations everyday. That doesn't mean that
> the service you received was over priced. It just mean you didn't find one
> and are now pissed that you paid $455 for a repair. I assume you approved
> the repair? If it was so EXPENSIVE, why didn't you pay the service call
> and get a second opinion?
> If you want to take your little $455 repair as a complete lesson on how to
> run a business, so be it. I on the other hand have the knowledge, skills,
> experience and understanding that it takes to know how to run a profitable
> company. But if you want a CHEAPER price on your next repair/installation,
> I suggest you call GM/Ford/Chrysler... they will be able to met your
> needs, at a price you can afford and make you feel all warm and fuzzy
> inside. Then we can wait for the next Federal bailout plan for the
> automotive industry.
> Get a clue!

heh

In reality I paid $225. $65 service charge and the rest fo r-22.

Olddog




Posted by Bipolar Bear on January 4, 2009, 1:12 am

> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>I was talking with a mechanical engineer from Airco about the time
> >>>>>>>>Christian Brothers charged me $375 for 4.5 lbs of Freon.
> >>>>>>>> The guy from Airco said that HVAC service companies tell the
techs
> >>>>>>>> to find
> >>>>>>>> a charge for over $300 or $400 no matter what they do to justify
> >>>>>>>> the time
> >>>>>>>> on the job. Christian Brothers charged me $455 for the service
> >>>>>>>> charge and
> >>>>>>>> the Freon.
> >>>>>>>> Olddog aka Homemoaner
> >>>>>>>Thats not too far off the mark. Even in rural south Mississippi I
get
> >>>>>>>$363
> >>>>>>>for the service call and 4.5lbs of R-22
> >>>>>> How long is the service call.
> >>>>> Don't forget travel time.
> >>>> Well obviously grossly marking up Freon is common.
> >>>> http://www.koolit.net/prod_list.php?sci=3
> >>>> Christian Bros. has the right to charge what ever they want but I'm a
> >>>> potential long term customer that is going to need a new system very
> >>>> soon. Do you think it's a good idea to charge me that much?
> >>>> I'm in the city limits and Christian Bros. is local.
> >>>> Olddog
> >>> No! I think they should have done it for nothing!
> >>> This way they can go bankrupt and no longer give you quality service.
> >>> What in the hell are they thinking!?!?!
> >> Then everyone I've talked to (hvac professionals) with regards to the
> >> 1600% markup is crazy. It's just standard business practice?
> >> Interesting
> > It's interesting how you're trying to confuse facts with reality.
> > There's different ways to price products and services. No two companies
> > operate the same way. There's also the fact that MANY companies don't
> > price their service correctly and run themselves right out of business.
A
> > fact that MANY people operate their business in different ways. Loss
> > leaders, selling equipment instead of making a repair, etc, etc...
> > You have to make money, period. Or you simply go under and are no longer
> > in business. That's a fact that you can't get around. Now there are
> > companies that subsidies their operations everyday. That doesn't mean
that
> > the service you received was over priced. It just mean you didn't find
one
> > and are now pissed that you paid $455 for a repair. I assume you
approved
> > the repair? If it was so EXPENSIVE, why didn't you pay the service call
> > and get a second opinion?
> > If you want to take your little $455 repair as a complete lesson on how
to
> > run a business, so be it. I on the other hand have the knowledge,
skills,
> > experience and understanding that it takes to know how to run a
profitable
> > company. But if you want a CHEAPER price on your next
repair/installation,
> > I suggest you call GM/Ford/Chrysler... they will be able to met your
> > needs, at a price you can afford and make you feel all warm and fuzzy
> > inside. Then we can wait for the next Federal bailout plan for the
> > automotive industry.
> > Get a clue!
> heh
> In reality I paid $225. $65 service charge and the rest fo r-22.
> Olddog

Next time make sure and get quote per lb up front and tell them the tech
needs to a leak detector some new valves and a shrader replacement tool.

--



Posted by olddog on January 4, 2009, 11:16 pm

>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>I was talking with a mechanical engineer from Airco about the
>> >>>>>>>>time
>> >>>>>>>>Christian Brothers charged me $375 for 4.5 lbs of Freon.
>> >>>>>>>> The guy from Airco said that HVAC service companies tell the
> techs
>> >>>>>>>> to find
>> >>>>>>>> a charge for over $300 or $400 no matter what they do to justify
>> >>>>>>>> the time
>> >>>>>>>> on the job. Christian Brothers charged me $455 for the service
>> >>>>>>>> charge and
>> >>>>>>>> the Freon.
>> >>>>>>>> Olddog aka Homemoaner
>> >>>>>>>Thats not too far off the mark. Even in rural south Mississippi I
> get
>> >>>>>>>$363
>> >>>>>>>for the service call and 4.5lbs of R-22
>> >>>>>> How long is the service call.
>> >>>>> Don't forget travel time.
>> >>>> Well obviously grossly marking up Freon is common.
>> >>>> http://www.koolit.net/prod_list.php?sci=3
>> >>>> Christian Bros. has the right to charge what ever they want but I'm
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> potential long term customer that is going to need a new system very
>> >>>> soon. Do you think it's a good idea to charge me that much?
>> >>>> I'm in the city limits and Christian Bros. is local.
>> >>>> Olddog
>> >>> No! I think they should have done it for nothing!
>> >>> This way they can go bankrupt and no longer give you quality service.
>> >>> What in the hell are they thinking!?!?!
>> >> Then everyone I've talked to (hvac professionals) with regards to the
>> >> 1600% markup is crazy. It's just standard business practice?
>> >> Interesting
>> > It's interesting how you're trying to confuse facts with reality.
>> > There's different ways to price products and services. No two companies
>> > operate the same way. There's also the fact that MANY companies don't
>> > price their service correctly and run themselves right out of business.
> A
>> > fact that MANY people operate their business in different ways. Loss
>> > leaders, selling equipment instead of making a repair, etc, etc...
>> > You have to make money, period. Or you simply go under and are no
>> > longer
>> > in business. That's a fact that you can't get around. Now there are
>> > companies that subsidies their operations everyday. That doesn't mean
> that
>> > the service you received was over priced. It just mean you didn't find
> one
>> > and are now pissed that you paid $455 for a repair. I assume you
> approved
>> > the repair? If it was so EXPENSIVE, why didn't you pay the service call
>> > and get a second opinion?
>> > If you want to take your little $455 repair as a complete lesson on how
> to
>> > run a business, so be it. I on the other hand have the knowledge,
> skills,
>> > experience and understanding that it takes to know how to run a
> profitable
>> > company. But if you want a CHEAPER price on your next
> repair/installation,
>> > I suggest you call GM/Ford/Chrysler... they will be able to met your
>> > needs, at a price you can afford and make you feel all warm and fuzzy
>> > inside. Then we can wait for the next Federal bailout plan for the
>> > automotive industry.
>> > Get a clue!
>> heh
>> In reality I paid $225. $65 service charge and the rest fo r-22.
>> Olddog
> Next time make sure and get quote per lb up front and tell them the tech
> needs to a leak detector some new valves and a shrader replacement tool.
> --

Thanks I will...I did get a quote up front but I trusted the guy was being
upfront with me. He probably was. It sounds like it's pretty common practice
to "make-up" on some other costs with Freon. It wasn't until later I found
out he could buy about 60lbs for what he charged me. It's all good. I
learned a lesson. After looking at the bill again I don't think it was as
bad as I remember it.

Olddog


Posted by Bipolar Bear on January 4, 2009, 11:55 pm

> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:38:54 -0600, "Steve"
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>I was talking with a mechanical engineer from Airco about the
> >> >>>>>>>>time
> >> >>>>>>>>Christian Brothers charged me $375 for 4.5 lbs of Freon.
> >> >>>>>>>> The guy from Airco said that HVAC service companies tell the
> > techs
> >> >>>>>>>> to find
> >> >>>>>>>> a charge for over $300 or $400 no matter what they do to
justify
> >> >>>>>>>> the time
> >> >>>>>>>> on the job. Christian Brothers charged me $455 for the service
> >> >>>>>>>> charge and
> >> >>>>>>>> the Freon.
> >> >>>>>>>> Olddog aka Homemoaner
> >> >>>>>>>Thats not too far off the mark. Even in rural south Mississippi
I
> > get
> >> >>>>>>>$363
> >> >>>>>>>for the service call and 4.5lbs of R-22
> >> >>>>>> How long is the service call.
> >> >>>>> Don't forget travel time.
> >> >>>> Well obviously grossly marking up Freon is common.
> >> >>>> http://www.koolit.net/prod_list.php?sci=3
> >> >>>> Christian Bros. has the right to charge what ever they want but
I'm
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>> potential long term customer that is going to need a new system
very
> >> >>>> soon. Do you think it's a good idea to charge me that much?
> >> >>>> I'm in the city limits and Christian Bros. is local.
> >> >>>> Olddog
> >> >>> No! I think they should have done it for nothing!
> >> >>> This way they can go bankrupt and no longer give you quality
service.
> >> >>> What in the hell are they thinking!?!?!
> >> >> Then everyone I've talked to (hvac professionals) with regards to
the
> >> >> 1600% markup is crazy. It's just standard business practice?
> >> >> Interesting
> >> > It's interesting how you're trying to confuse facts with reality.
> >> > There's different ways to price products and services. No two
companies
> >> > operate the same way. There's also the fact that MANY companies don't
> >> > price their service correctly and run themselves right out of
business.
> > A
> >> > fact that MANY people operate their business in different ways. Loss
> >> > leaders, selling equipment instead of making a repair, etc, etc...
> >> > You have to make money, period. Or you simply go under and are no
> >> > longer
> >> > in business. That's a fact that you can't get around. Now there are
> >> > companies that subsidies their operations everyday. That doesn't mean
> > that
> >> > the service you received was over priced. It just mean you didn't
find
> > one
> >> > and are now pissed that you paid $455 for a repair. I assume you
> > approved
> >> > the repair? If it was so EXPENSIVE, why didn't you pay the service
call
> >> > and get a second opinion?
> >> > If you want to take your little $455 repair as a complete lesson on
how
> > to
> >> > run a business, so be it. I on the other hand have the knowledge,
> > skills,
> >> > experience and understanding that it takes to know how to run a
> > profitable
> >> > company. But if you want a CHEAPER price on your next
> > repair/installation,
> >> > I suggest you call GM/Ford/Chrysler... they will be able to met your
> >> > needs, at a price you can afford and make you feel all warm and fuzzy
> >> > inside. Then we can wait for the next Federal bailout plan for the
> >> > automotive industry.
> >> > Get a clue!
> >> heh
> >> In reality I paid $225. $65 service charge and the rest fo r-22.
> >> Olddog
> > Next time make sure and get quote per lb up front and tell them the tech
> > needs to a leak detector some new valves and a shrader replacement tool.
> > --
> Thanks I will...I did get a quote up front but I trusted the guy was being
> upfront with me. He probably was. It sounds like it's pretty common
practice
> to "make-up" on some other costs with Freon. It wasn't until later I found
> out he could buy about 60lbs for what he charged me. It's all good. I
> learned a lesson. After looking at the bill again I don't think it was as
> bad as I remember it.

Welcome but still he should of checked for leaks or at the very least should
have told you that next time you call be sure to request that the teck
brings along leak detection tools.

As such, I would suggest you fire the outfit.

--





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