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Posted by ftwhd on December 26, 2008, 11:23 am
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>> Did it ever occur to you that your heating unit has long passed the time
>> to update it? Its pay me now or pay me later situation. Any Gas fuel
>> system will pay for itself by going with the high efficiency units we have
>> been installing since the 1980's.
>Yes, it has occurred to me. I live in New England and use heat quite a bit
>and my boiler is five days old. You, however, had a bit of a smirk that
>thermocouple units no longer exist. For better or worse, they do.
Yep, they exist on newer equipment. Newer equipment that is el cheapo
that is. And I am curios, if the boiler is five days old and the
thermocuple lasted three years, what kind of math is that? Now shut
the hell up and solve for x, dummy.
I am the real ftwhd and I approve this message.
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Posted by Don Ocean on December 26, 2008, 4:56 pm
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>>> Did it ever occur to you that your heating unit has long passed the time
>>> to update it? Its pay me now or pay me later situation. Any Gas fuel
>>> system will pay for itself by going with the high efficiency units we have
>>> been installing since the 1980's.
>> Yes, it has occurred to me. I live in New England and use heat quite a bit
>> and my boiler is five days old. You, however, had a bit of a smirk that
>> thermocouple units no longer exist. For better or worse, they do.
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> Yep, they exist on newer equipment. Newer equipment that is el cheapo
> that is. And I am curios, if the boiler is five days old and the
> thermocuple lasted three years, what kind of math is that? Now shut
> the hell up and solve for x, dummy.
Better read your union code book... No pilots in residential! Yes the
Math is a bit spooky. Send the man a number 10 coal scoop and a chimney
scrubber. You can still install pilot systems in light and heavy
commercial, dependent on the floor load population.
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Posted by Don Ocean on December 26, 2008, 4:51 pm
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
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>> Did it ever occur to you that your heating unit has long passed the time
>> to update it? Its pay me now or pay me later situation. Any Gas fuel
>> system will pay for itself by going with the high efficiency units we have
>> been installing since the 1980's.
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> Yes, it has occurred to me. I live in New England and use heat quite a bit
> and my boiler is five days old. You, however, had a bit of a smirk that
> thermocouple units no longer exist. For better or worse, they do.
Not here in residential heat units. You cannot even purchase them.
Pilot lite are even being phased out on water heaters. The water heaters
that have pilots, have a flame so small that you can barely see it. As
for the smirk, you ass... I have been around long enough to convert coal
furnaces to fuel gas system. New trailer/mobile/modular homes cannot
even have a pilot furnace installed in them and those units are still
rated at 80% efficiency. Apparently they all come with electric water
heaters also. Evnthe big boiler systems we install for commercial are
electronically ignited and have a $thousand worth of safety devices..Low
water etc. Also the are capable of calling them on the phone and
changing settings or calling you in case of breakdown. Mr Pawlowski,
you have a safe, sane and hapy holiday season. Do what is best for your
family.
PS Every state has federal money to update heating systems for those
that cannot afford to do it on their own. You can get that by calling
you State Heat assistance office or the local Community development
office. They will also repair your modern unit if required. There is
little paperwork for these needs and the service is usually
instantaneous. You can also get assistance with Heat bills up to $980 a
year depending on weather conditions and area.
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Posted by Ed Pawlowski on December 26, 2008, 10:22 pm
> Not here in residential heat units. You cannot even purchase them.
> Pilot lite are even being phased out on water heaters. The water heaters
> that have pilots, have a flame so small that you can barely see it. As for
> the smirk, you ass... I have been around long enough to convert coal
> furnaces to fuel gas system.
OK, you've been around a long time, but that does not mean pilot lights so
not exist any more. I know they stopped making them a while back, buy
plenty of old boilers and furnaces are still around.
I used to live in Philadelphia. There were tens of thousands of homes with
pilot light heaters built in the 1940's to 1980. Some still have those
original heaters and still have thermocouples.
Sure, better technology exists, but it will be a couple of more decades
before they are gone.
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> Evnthe big boiler systems we install for commercial are
> electronically ignited and have a $thousand worth of safety devices..Low
> water etc. Also the are capable of calling them on the phone and changing
> settings or calling you in case of breakdown. Mr Pawlowski,
> you have a safe, sane and hapy holiday season. Do what is best for your
> family.
I just spent $60,000 at work to have our two steam boilers updated with
controls. O2 sensors, modulating gas valves, etc. I can go to the boiler
from my office or my home PC at any time too. OUr gas bill runs about
$10,000 a month every months since it is process, not heating.
Last Monday I had a new oil boiler installed in my house. It will take a
while to get actual numbers, but I know it is already saving me money as it
runs less for the same heat. Big savings on hot water with an indirect
system.
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> PS Every state has federal money to update heating systems for those that
> cannot afford to do it on their own. You can get that by calling you State
> Heat assistance office or the local Community development office. They
> will also repair your modern unit if required. There is little paperwork
> for these needs and the service is usually instantaneous. You can also get
> assistance with Heat bills up to $980 a year depending on weather
> conditions and area.
Check here to see what is available. http://www.dsireusa.org/
I can get 10 years at 0% interest and a $500 rebate
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Posted by KJPRO on December 27, 2008, 1:21 am
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> New trailer/mobile/modular homes cannot even have a pilot furnace
> installed in them and those units are still rated at 80% efficiency.
> Apparently they all come with electric water heaters also.
Nordyne model... M1GB056AAW
(pilot model that is still in production... along with many others)
Not all manufactured homes have electric water heaters... most, but not all.
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>> to update it? Its pay me now or pay me later situation. Any Gas fuel
>> system will pay for itself by going with the high efficiency units we have
>> been installing since the 1980's.
>Yes, it has occurred to me. I live in New England and use heat quite a bit
>and my boiler is five days old. You, however, had a bit of a smirk that
>thermocouple units no longer exist. For better or worse, they do.