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How can inverter be more efficient? grattou 08-20-2008
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Posted by Bipolar Bear on August 24, 2008, 2:25 am



Gorsh I sure bet strormy will be proud of you.

> Hi,
> I fail to see how inverter heat-pumps can be more efficient than fixed-
> speed ones.
> I guess this boils down to another question: a heat-pump probably has
> a speed where its efficiency is maximum. Hopefully this is where fixed-
> speed heat-pumps are set to operate. Is that right?
> If so, when the inverter varies the speed, it moves away from the
> optimum, and efficiency goes down.
> It would seem to me, from a pure COP view point, and if my assumptions
> are correct, that a fixed-speed heat-pump would have the maximum
> efficiency. Now, comfort is also important, and off-on maximum heating
> a not as nice as sustained, adapted, heating.
> But this is not what is advertised. All vendors claim that COP is
> better with an inverter, even though i assume there are lossses in the
> current-inverting circuitry. How can that be? The only way I can see
> that this would be true is if the COP increases as compressor speed
> decreases, but I was never able to find any information about that.
> And also -this is presumably linked- why do smaller heap-pumps have a
> better COP than larger capacity ones?
> Does anyone know the answer to this mystery?
> Thanks you for your lights, Chris

When a system cycles on and off the average EER is not the rated EER.
So a unit that may have a lower EER and does less cycling can actually
have a higher average EER. Than the unit that cycles more often.

Andy



Posted by John Gilmer on August 30, 2008, 1:09 pm


The inverter based systems start off at a dis-advantage in that the
"electronics" will consume a few percent of the power.

BUT they have several advantages:

1) They maintain efficiency when operating motors at lower speeds. Your
run of the mill 3 speel HVAC motor, for example, can have less than 50%
efficiency. An "inverter" based fan motor can be 90+% efficient at all but
the very lowest speed.

2) Induction motors have some compromises to enable them to start and
these lower the efficiency at rated speed. (The rotor internal resistance
is higher.) The "inverter" motor starts at low frequency and low voltage.

It's just a matter of time before the inverter technology complely subplants
"tranditional" replacement motors for the air handlers in heat pumps and
A/C. The distributors will only have to stock a literal handful of sizes
and the user will "dial up" the speed he wants. The motors will run
equally well at 120 or 240 volts.

Likewise, "inverter" designs can eliminate the need for power hogging
contactors and relays. That will open the door for "smarter" thermostats
that would only require a two wire connection to the air handler. Such
thermostats with semi-independent control of fan speed and compressor speed
can control humidity or optimize efficiency as the customer desires.


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Posted by =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= on September 1, 2008, 9:46 pm


John Gilmer posted for all of us...

>
> Likewise, "inverter" designs can eliminate the need for power hogging
> contactors and relays. That will open the door for "smarter" thermostats
> that would only require a two wire connection to the air handler. Such
> thermostats with semi-independent control of fan speed and compressor speed
> can control humidity or optimize efficiency as the customer desires.
>
Boy would this baffle idjits like Stumpy and his Lux in hand...
--
Tekkie - I approve this advertisement/statement/utterance.

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