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How to wire a White-Rogers multi-stage thermostat for basic furnace? Pat Coghlan 07-06-2007
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Posted by Pat Coghlan on July 7, 2007, 12:51 pm
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I think the problem is that you can't answer a simple question, which
is, should I connect R and C to the block, or the terminal strip? Both
have screws to accept wire connections.

There's a level of confidence one gets after they've done something once
or twice (successfully). It's a bit unnerving not having the display
light up, and I can see that there's no return to the common side of the
transformer, so perhaps if I hook up the black wire to C I'll be in
business - at which point I'll probably have a question re: how to adapt
the multi-stage operation to a single-stage furnace.

Thinking about it, though, I guess W-R has tapped off C and R to the
block to power off-board devices.

I work with electronic technicians all day long (alarm systems), but
when I asked one of the senior guys if he knew anything about
heating/cooling systems his answer was "my furnace has a red wire and a
white wire".

Questions from someone not "in the biz", may seem dumb, but you've
probably heard that there's no such thing as a dumb question, only...

Noon-Air wrote:
> Its not rocket science, almost anybody can do it (except you)LOL
> A degree doesn't mean that you can walk and chew bubble gum at the
> same time.
> If you have a degree in computer science, you should be able to handle
> a simple wiring diagram, and hooking up 5 different colored wires.
> Whats the worse that can happen..... let the factory smoke out of a
> component?? blow a fuse?? make the heat and A/C come on at the same
> time??
> The link you posted shows exactly where to hook up the wires, and you
> can't figure it out..... I guess your degree doesn't apply to simple
> wiring??
> Call a local tech.
>
>
> I think I can handle the programming (have a degree in computer
> science).
>
> It's the hot/common connections that I'm not sure about. The R/C
> terminals already have wires inserted and these wires go over to a
> block...which also has screw terminals.
>
> Do I wire directly to the terminals (which have a metal flange
> partially covering them, as if to prevent you from using them) or
> to the block(s)?
>
> The directions don't say ANYTHING about the on-board wires, other
> than don't remove them.
>
> -Pat
>
> Noon-Air wrote:
>>
>>
>> wrote in message
>> Okay, so how does one handle the R/C terminal connections
>> (which go to a block)?
>> Duh maybe if you read the freakin directions??? For that stat
>> you need 5 wires for 1h/1c. Yes you have to make 5
>> connections to make it work, *AFTER* you have it programmed
>> correctly.
>>
>> Want me to lead you by the hand in wiring and programming??
>> Let me know when you have made a deposit to my PayPal account.
>>
>>
>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote in message
>>> I have White-Rogers 1F95-371 multi-stage thermostat that
>>> I'd like to try and use with my plain vanilla
>>> residential furnace (Lennox).
>>>
>>> Problem:
>>> its a Lummox with a WR stat
>>> - I only need it to control heat (W), fan (G) and AC (Y)
>>> - The R and C terminals on the unit have red and black
>>> wires (respectively) soldered to a block which has 3
>>> terminals on it
>>> (see
http://www.white-rodgers.com/wrdhom/pdfs/06_Cat_pages/Cat_06_pg0161.pdf)
>>> - If I connect W/G/Y plus the R wire, the display does
>>> not light up - presumably because it needs a full-time
>>> connection to T (transformer common)
>>>
>>> Has anyone wired up one of these successfully and can I
>>> adapt it to my single-stage furnace?
>>> Yup, lots of times
>>>

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<font face="Verdana">I think the problem is that you can't answer a
simple question, which is, should I connect R and C to the block, or
the terminal strip?&nbsp; Both have screws to accept wire connections.<br>
<br>
There's a level of confidence one gets after they've done something
once or twice (successfully).&nbsp; It's a bit unnerving not having the
display light up, and I can see that there's no return to the common
side of the transformer, so perhaps if I hook up the black wire to C
I'll be in business - at which point I'll probably have a question re:
how to adapt the multi-stage operation to a single-stage furnace.<br>
<br>
Thinking about it, though, I guess W-R has tapped off C and R to the
block to power off-board devices.<br>
<br>
I work with electronic technicians all day long (alarm systems), but
when I asked one of the senior guys if he knew anything about
heating/cooling systems his answer was "my furnace has a red wire and a
white wire".<br>
<br>
Questions from someone not "in the biz", may seem dumb, but you've
probably heard that there's no such thing as a dumb question, only...<br>
</font><br>
Noon-Air wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Its not rocket science, almost
anybody can do it (except you)LOL</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">A degree doesn't mean that you can
walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If you have a degree in computer
science, you should be able to handle a simple wiring diagram, and
hooking up 5 different colored wires. Whats the worse that can
happen..... let the factory smoke out of a component?? blow a fuse??
make the heat and A/C come on at the same time?? </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The link you posted shows exactly
where to hook up the wires, and you can't figure it out..... I guess
your degree doesn't apply to simple wiring?? </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Call a local tech.</font></div>
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<font face="Verdana">I think I can handle the programming (have a
degree in computer science).<br>
<br>
It's the hot/common connections that I'm not sure about.&nbsp; The R/C
terminals already have wires inserted and these wires go over to a
block...which also has screw terminals.<br>
<br>
Do I wire directly to the terminals (which have a metal flange
partially covering them, as if to prevent you from using them) or to
the block(s)?<br>
<br>
The directions don't say ANYTHING about the on-board wires, other than
don't remove them.<br>
<br>
-Pat<br>
</font><br>
Noon-Air wrote:
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<div>"Pat Coghlan" &lt;<a href="mailto:news@coghlan.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">news@coghlan.ca</a>&gt; wrote in message <a
<div><font face="Verdana">Okay, so how does one handle the R/C
terminal connections (which go to a block)?</font><br>
<font color="#ff0000" face="Arial" size="2">Duh maybe if you
read the freakin directions??? For that stat you need 5 wires for
1h/1c. Yes you have to make 5 connections to make it work, *AFTER* you
have it programmed correctly. </font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#ff0000" face="Arial" size="2">Want me to
lead you by the hand in wiring and programming?? Let me know when you
have made a deposit to my PayPal account.</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Noon-Air wrote: </div>
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<div>"Pat Coghlan" &lt;<a href="mailto:news@coghlan.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">news@coghlan.ca</a>&gt; wrote in message <a
<div><font face="Verdana">I have White-Rogers</font>
1F95-371 multi-stage thermostat that I'd like to try and use with my
plain vanilla residential furnace (Lennox).<br>
<br>
Problem:<br>
<font color="#ff0000" face="Arial" size="2">its a Lummox
with a WR stat</font><br>
- I only need it to control heat (W), fan (G) and AC (Y)<br>
- The R and C terminals on the unit have red and black wires
(respectively) soldered to a block which has 3 terminals on it (see&nbsp;<font
face="Verdana"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.white-rodgers.com/wrdhom/pdfs/06_Cat_pages/Cat_06_pg0161.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.white-rodgers.com/wrdhom/pdfs/06_Cat_pages/Cat_06_pg0161.pdf)</a><br>
- If I connect W/G/Y plus the R wire, the display does not light up -
presumably because it needs a full-time connection to T (transformer
common)<br>
<br>
Has anyone wired up one of these successfully and can I adapt it to my
single-stage furnace?<br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana"><font color="#ff0000" face="Arial"
size="2">Yup, lots of times</font></font></div>
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Posted by Tony Hwang on July 7, 2007, 1:21 pm
Pat Coghlan wrote:
> I think the problem is that you can't answer a simple question, which
> is, should I connect R and C to the block, or the terminal strip? Both
> have screws to accept wire connections.
>
> There's a level of confidence one gets after they've done something once
> or twice (successfully). It's a bit unnerving not having the display
> light up, and I can see that there's no return to the common side of the
> transformer, so perhaps if I hook up the black wire to C I'll be in
> business - at which point I'll probably have a question re: how to adapt
> the multi-stage operation to a single-stage furnace.
>
> Thinking about it, though, I guess W-R has tapped off C and R to the
> block to power off-board devices.
>
> I work with electronic technicians all day long (alarm systems), but
> when I asked one of the senior guys if he knew anything about
> heating/cooling systems his answer was "my furnace has a red wire and a
> white wire".
>
> Questions from someone not "in the biz", may seem dumb, but you've
> probably heard that there's no such thing as a dumb question, only...
>
> Noon-Air wrote:
>
>> Its not rocket science, almost anybody can do it (except you)LOL
>> A degree doesn't mean that you can walk and chew bubble gum at the
>> same time.
>> If you have a degree in computer science, you should be able to handle
>> a simple wiring diagram, and hooking up 5 different colored wires.
>> Whats the worse that can happen..... let the factory smoke out of a
>> component?? blow a fuse?? make the heat and A/C come on at the same
>> time??
>> The link you posted shows exactly where to hook up the wires, and you
>> can't figure it out..... I guess your degree doesn't apply to simple
>> wiring??
>> Call a local tech.
>>
>>
>> I think I can handle the programming (have a degree in computer
>> science).
>>
>> It's the hot/common connections that I'm not sure about. The R/C
>> terminals already have wires inserted and these wires go over to a
>> block...which also has screw terminals.
>>
>> Do I wire directly to the terminals (which have a metal flange
>> partially covering them, as if to prevent you from using them) or
>> to the block(s)?
>>
>> The directions don't say ANYTHING about the on-board wires, other
>> than don't remove them.
>>
>> -Pat
>>
>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote in message
>>> Okay, so how does one handle the R/C terminal connections
>>> (which go to a block)?
>>> Duh maybe if you read the freakin directions??? For that stat
>>> you need 5 wires for 1h/1c. Yes you have to make 5
>>> connections to make it work, *AFTER* you have it programmed
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> Want me to lead you by the hand in wiring and programming??
>>> Let me know when you have made a deposit to my PayPal account.
>>>
>>>
>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> I have White-Rogers 1F95-371 multi-stage thermostat that
>>>> I'd like to try and use with my plain vanilla
>>>> residential furnace (Lennox).
>>>>
>>>> Problem:
>>>> its a Lummox with a WR stat
>>>> - I only need it to control heat (W), fan (G) and AC (Y)
>>>> - The R and C terminals on the unit have red and black
>>>> wires (respectively) soldered to a block which has 3
>>>> terminals on it
>>>> (see
http://www.white-rodgers.com/wrdhom/pdfs/06_Cat_pages/Cat_06_pg0161.pdf)
>>>> - If I connect W/G/Y plus the R wire, the display does
>>>> not light up - presumably because it needs a full-time
>>>> connection to T (transformer common)
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone wired up one of these successfully and can I
>>>> adapt it to my single-stage furnace?
>>>> Yup, lots of times
>>>>
Hi,
Please don't top post. It's annoying. And that 'stat looks like it is
for multi-stage specific application. Installer option does not show
anything for single stage operation. I could be wrong.
Tony, EE class of '66
Retired from Honeywell in '96

Posted by on July 9, 2007, 12:44 pm


> And that 'stat looks like it is
> for multi-stage specific application. Installer option does not show
> anything for single stage operation. I could be wrong.

Oh my...



Posted by Noon-Air on July 9, 2007, 7:27 pm

>
>
>> And that 'stat looks like it is
>> for multi-stage specific application. Installer option does not show
>> anything for single stage operation. I could be wrong.
>
> Oh my...

ROFL...... mine works just fine, I guess you just gotta be smarter than a
temperature controlled, ON/OFF SWITCH



Posted by Tony Hwang on July 13, 2007, 1:03 am
Noon-Air wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>And that 'stat looks like it is
>>>for multi-stage specific application. Installer option does not show
>>>anything for single stage operation. I could be wrong.
>>
>>Oh my...
>
>
> ROFL...... mine works just fine, I guess you just gotta be smarter than a
> temperature controlled, ON/OFF SWITCH
>
>
So how many control board have you fixed? That is my hobby.
Not a difficult task knowing how it works and with proper tools;
DVM of course, 'scope and IC tracker.
In the product description nowhere it mentioned anything for single
stage operation.

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