Ice machine doesn't like cold weather

Posted by on January 18, 2009, 4:01 pm

>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>> I have an Ice machine (Manitowoc) that is outside.
>>>>>We are having a bit of cold weather and the fan on the machine
>>>>>short cycles. The fan is the only symptom I hear, the compressor
>>>>>continues running and it will make ice. I don't like to let it run like
>>>>>this. Will this cause any harm to the fan or pressure switch or any
>>>>>other parts of the machine.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>PS. I know the machine has a temperature range that it will run
>>>>>properly.
>>>>>I know the machine is not made to run outside.
>>>>>I can't change the weather and I can't move the machine.
>>>> Then build a large box around it, and heat it.
>>> The weather has warmed and I didn't run out of ice, but if we had
>>>one more day of cold I might have.
>>> What area in the machine needs to be warmed?

>> I'll let you of the hook - that fan cycling is normal, there's
>> a control in the machine specifically to make it do that in colder
>> conditions, so leave it alone.

>>>One day I setup three large mirrors to reflect sunlight onto the backside
>>>of the machine and it did reduce the cycling. I wasn't available to keep
>>>moving the mirrors though.
>>> Mike
>>> PS. I can't stop rotation of the earth until I have a enough ice. ;-)

>> Barack the Magic Negro has that on his 'To do' list for
>> you :-)

> Oh, I can hardly wait until nobody has to pay their mortgages, healthcare
>is "free" and gas is cheap!

The first two are in his 100 day plan :-(. He also advocates
RAISING the price of gas ( and all energy forms ) to 'make us
conserve, and change technologies' :-(

>Regarding the cycling, (actually short cycling) it maybe normal at 35* or
>40* F but I don't know if it's
>harmful to the long term good of the machine. The cycling is about 7 seconds
>on and 3 seconds off.
> Mike
>PS. I wasn't going to fix the machine, I just wanted to add heat where it
>would stop the short cycles.

Fan cycles <> 'short cycles'. 'Short cycle' is where the

COMPRESSOR turns on and off rapidly - very bad. The FAN is being
controlled to maintain 'head pressure', which is a design feature, not
a problem. Without it, the machine would not work in a cold
environment.

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Posted by amdx on January 18, 2009, 4:19 pm

>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>> I have an Ice machine (Manitowoc) that is outside.
>>>>>>We are having a bit of cold weather and the fan on the machine
>>>>>>short cycles. The fan is the only symptom I hear, the compressor
>>>>>>continues running and it will make ice. I don't like to let it run
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>this. Will this cause any harm to the fan or pressure switch or any
>>>>>>other parts of the machine.
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>PS. I know the machine has a temperature range that it will run
>>>>>>properly.
>>>>>>I know the machine is not made to run outside.
>>>>>>I can't change the weather and I can't move the machine.
>>>>> Then build a large box around it, and heat it.
>>>> The weather has warmed and I didn't run out of ice, but if we had
>>>>one more day of cold I might have.
>>>> What area in the machine needs to be warmed?
>>> I'll let you of the hook - that fan cycling is normal, there's
>>> a control in the machine specifically to make it do that in colder
>>> conditions, so leave it alone.
>>>>One day I setup three large mirrors to reflect sunlight onto the
>>>>backside
>>>>of the machine and it did reduce the cycling. I wasn't available to keep
>>>>moving the mirrors though.
>>>> Mike
>>>> PS. I can't stop rotation of the earth until I have a enough ice. ;-)
>>> Barack the Magic Negro has that on his 'To do' list for
>>> you :-)

>> Oh, I can hardly wait until nobody has to pay their mortgages,
>> healthcare
>>is "free" and gas is cheap!

> The first two are in his 100 day plan :-(. He also advocates
> RAISING the price of gas ( and all energy forms ) to 'make us
> conserve, and change technologies' :-(

>>Regarding the cycling, (actually short cycling) it maybe normal at 35* or
>>40* F but I don't know if it's
>>harmful to the long term good of the machine. The cycling is about 7
>>seconds
>>on and 3 seconds off.
>> Mike
>>PS. I wasn't going to fix the machine, I just wanted to add heat where it
>>would stop the short cycles.

> Fan cycles <> 'short cycles'. 'Short cycle' is where the
> COMPRESSOR turns on and off rapidly - very bad. The FAN is being
> controlled to maintain 'head pressure', which is a design feature, not
> a problem. Without it, the machine would not work in a cold
> environment.

Ok, temp hit 65* today, plenty of ice, one more cold day this week,
hopefully the last of the year.

Thanks for the reasonable response, Mike

PS. You can release the dogs now! :-)

Posted by on January 18, 2009, 9:48 pm

>>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>> I have an Ice machine (Manitowoc) that is outside.
>>>>>>>We are having a bit of cold weather and the fan on the machine
>>>>>>>short cycles. The fan is the only symptom I hear, the compressor
>>>>>>>continues running and it will make ice. I don't like to let it run
>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>this. Will this cause any harm to the fan or pressure switch or any
>>>>>>>other parts of the machine.
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>PS. I know the machine has a temperature range that it will run
>>>>>>>properly.
>>>>>>>I know the machine is not made to run outside.
>>>>>>>I can't change the weather and I can't move the machine.
>>>>>> Then build a large box around it, and heat it.
>>>>> The weather has warmed and I didn't run out of ice, but if we had
>>>>>one more day of cold I might have.
>>>>> What area in the machine needs to be warmed?
>>>> I'll let you of the hook - that fan cycling is normal, there's
>>>> a control in the machine specifically to make it do that in colder
>>>> conditions, so leave it alone.
>>>>>One day I setup three large mirrors to reflect sunlight onto the
>>>>>backside
>>>>>of the machine and it did reduce the cycling. I wasn't available to keep
>>>>>moving the mirrors though.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> PS. I can't stop rotation of the earth until I have a enough ice. ;-)
>>>> Barack the Magic Negro has that on his 'To do' list for
>>>> you :-)
>>> Oh, I can hardly wait until nobody has to pay their mortgages,
>>> healthcare
>>>is "free" and gas is cheap!

>> The first two are in his 100 day plan :-(. He also advocates
>> RAISING the price of gas ( and all energy forms ) to 'make us
>> conserve, and change technologies' :-(

>>>Regarding the cycling, (actually short cycling) it maybe normal at 35* or
>>>40* F but I don't know if it's
>>>harmful to the long term good of the machine. The cycling is about 7
>>>seconds
>>>on and 3 seconds off.
>>> Mike
>>>PS. I wasn't going to fix the machine, I just wanted to add heat where it
>>>would stop the short cycles.

>> Fan cycles <> 'short cycles'. 'Short cycle' is where the
>> COMPRESSOR turns on and off rapidly - very bad. The FAN is being
>> controlled to maintain 'head pressure', which is a design feature, not
>> a problem. Without it, the machine would not work in a cold
>> environment.

> Ok, temp hit 65* today, plenty of ice, one more cold day this week,
>hopefully the last of the year.
> Thanks for the reasonable response, Mike
>PS. You can release the dogs now! :-)

Watch who you're calling 'Mike' there, skippy !!!

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Posted by Zyp on January 20, 2009, 12:35 am

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>> I have an Ice machine (Manitowoc) that is outside.
>>>>>>>> We are having a bit of cold weather and the fan on the machine
>>>>>>>> short cycles. The fan is the only symptom I hear, the
>>>>>>>> compressor continues running and it will make ice. I don't
>>>>>>>> like to let it run like
>>>>>>>> this. Will this cause any harm to the fan or pressure switch
>>>>>>>> or any other parts of the machine.
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>> PS. I know the machine has a temperature range that it will
>>>>>>>> run properly.
>>>>>>>> I know the machine is not made to run outside.
>>>>>>>> I can't change the weather and I can't move the machine.
>>>>>>> Then build a large box around it, and heat it.
>>>>>> The weather has warmed and I didn't run out of ice, but if we
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> one more day of cold I might have.
>>>>>> What area in the machine needs to be warmed?
>>>>> I'll let you of the hook - that fan cycling is normal, there's
>>>>> a control in the machine specifically to make it do that in colder
>>>>> conditions, so leave it alone.
>>>>>> One day I setup three large mirrors to reflect sunlight onto the
>>>>>> backside
>>>>>> of the machine and it did reduce the cycling. I wasn't available
>>>>>> to keep moving the mirrors though.
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> PS. I can't stop rotation of the earth until I have a enough
>>>>>> ice. ;-)
>>>>> Barack the Magic Negro has that on his 'To do' list for
>>>>> you :-)
>>>> Oh, I can hardly wait until nobody has to pay their mortgages,
>>>> healthcare
>>>> is "free" and gas is cheap!
>>> The first two are in his 100 day plan :-(. He also advocates
>>> RAISING the price of gas ( and all energy forms ) to 'make us
>>> conserve, and change technologies' :-(
>>>> Regarding the cycling, (actually short cycling) it maybe normal at
>>>> 35* or 40* F but I don't know if it's
>>>> harmful to the long term good of the machine. The cycling is about
>>>> 7 seconds
>>>> on and 3 seconds off.
>>>> Mike
>>>> PS. I wasn't going to fix the machine, I just wanted to add heat
>>>> where it would stop the short cycles.
>>> Fan cycles <> 'short cycles'. 'Short cycle' is where the
>>> COMPRESSOR turns on and off rapidly - very bad. The FAN is being
>>> controlled to maintain 'head pressure', which is a design feature,
>>> not a problem. Without it, the machine would not work in a cold
>>> environment.

>> Ok, temp hit 65* today, plenty of ice, one more cold day this week,
>> hopefully the last of the year.
>> Thanks for the reasonable response, Mike
>> PS. You can release the dogs now! :-)

> Watch who you're calling 'Mike' there, skippy !!!
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> www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
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Damn Paul

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Posted by on January 20, 2009, 10:22 am

>Damn Paul

Take a number, stand your ass in line :-)

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