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Posted by MLD on January 21, 2009, 4:04 pm
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Don't want any help or advice. =20
Just would like an opinion or two based on your field experience =
relative to the following;
Got 3 yr. old Gas fired Trane with a Western Digital board and a WD =
Silicon Nitride Igniter. No heat problem-Service Tech quickly and =
correctly diagnosed a failed Igniter. I've read that the typical life =
of an Igniter is about 3-5 yrs but you can get at least 3 plus =
additional years with the Silicon Nitride type. So, did the one =
installed in my furnace fail prematurely (non typical-infant mortality) =
or is the longer life a bit exaggerated and just more hype to justify =
the higher cost? (Have a Service/Manteca contract so cost is not a =
factor for me)
Also, does the practice of lowering the temperature at night and then =
resetting it in the morning (ala programmable thermostat) in time, =
actually have a negative impact on the furnace hot section components? =
That is, because of the long(er) time components are exposed to the full =
blast of the furnace (as the house is brought back up to the new set =
temperature) their useful life can be reduced.=20
MLD
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a WD Silicon Nitride Igniter. No heat problem-Service Tech quickly =
and=20
correctly diagnosed a failed Igniter. I've read that the typical =
life of=20
an Igniter is about 3-5 yrs but you can get at least 3 plus additional =
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Posted by The King on January 21, 2009, 4:53 pm
>Don't want any help or advice.
>Just would like an opinion or two based on your field experience relative to
the following;
>Got 3 yr. old Gas fired Trane with a Western Digital board and a WD Silicon
Nitride Igniter. No heat problem-Service Tech quickly and correctly diagnosed a
failed Igniter. I've read that the typical life of an Igniter is about 3-5 yrs
but you can get at least 3 plus additional years with the Silicon Nitride type.
So, did the one installed in my furnace fail prematurely (non typical-infant
mortality) or is the longer life a bit exaggerated and just more hype to justify
the higher cost? (Have a Service/Manteca contract so cost is not a factor for me)
>Also, does the practice of lowering the temperature at night and then resetting
it in the morning (ala programmable thermostat) in time, actually have a
negative impact on the furnace hot section components? That is, because of the
long(er) time components are exposed to the full blast of the furnace (as the
house is brought back up to the new set temperature) their useful life can be
reduced.
>MLD
I've seen them last anywhere from a year to ten years. The one in my
furnace is going on six years without replacement. Someone had wrote
with a sharpie the date that it was last changed.
Interesting story about how I got my York Stellar 90 plus.
Went on a furnace change out and when I looked at the one to be
replaced I went to the owner and told her I can fix this furnace for
about a dollar. It looked brand new. She declined saying that she
had had enough of the POS as it always gave her trouble. Called the
salesman told him the same thing. Nope she wants a new furnace.
Called my boss told him the same thing. Nope she wants a new furnace.
Okey dokie I says and I proceeded with the install. Went to start up
the new one and it would not fire. Checked it out and the pressure
switch wouldn't make. Went outside and heard gurgling in the vent
pipe. Went back downstairs and checked out the venting. Turns out I
over bid the repair cost as some jack ass non union hack strapped the
exhaust vent up with panduit strap and created a big dip in the pipe
which when the furnace ran hard on cold day water trapped in the dip
and it shut off on the pressure switch. I took my snips and cut the
strap and about a gallon of water drains out and the new one fired
right up. She's had zero problems since. Hauling the old one out she
asked me if I was going to recycle the old furnace. I said yes I am
and thought to myself, I'm going to recycle it right into my home
since it was the perfect size and the price was right. Free. So far
between the furnace and a additional 14" of blown insulation I added
to the attic I've save two tanks of propane a year. A hearty thank
you to the non union hack who didn't know his ass from a fire truck.
Its been 3 years now and I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it.
True story.
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Posted by KJPRO on January 21, 2009, 8:05 pm
>>Don't want any help or advice.
>>Just would like an opinion or two based on your field experience relative
>>to the following;
>>Got 3 yr. old Gas fired Trane with a Western Digital board and a WD
>>Silicon Nitride Igniter. No heat problem-Service Tech quickly and
>>correctly diagnosed a failed Igniter. I've read that the typical life of
>>an Igniter is about 3-5 yrs but you can get at least 3 plus additional
>>years with the Silicon Nitride type. So, did the one installed in my
>>furnace fail prematurely (non typical-infant mortality) or is the longer
>>life a bit exaggerated and just more hype to justify the higher cost?
>>(Have a Service/Manteca contract so cost is not a factor for me)
>>Also, does the practice of lowering the temperature at night and then
>>resetting it in the morning (ala programmable thermostat) in time,
>>actually have a negative impact on the furnace hot section components?
>>That is, because of the long(er) time components are exposed to the full
>>blast of the furnace (as the house is brought back up to the new set
>>temperature) their useful life can be reduced.
>>MLD
> I've seen them last anywhere from a year to ten years. The one in my
> furnace is going on six years without replacement. Someone had wrote
> with a sharpie the date that it was last changed.
> Interesting story about how I got my York Stellar 90 plus.
> Went on a furnace change out and when I looked at the one to be
> replaced I went to the owner and told her I can fix this furnace for
> about a dollar. It looked brand new. She declined saying that she
> had had enough of the POS as it always gave her trouble. Called the
> salesman told him the same thing. Nope she wants a new furnace.
> Called my boss told him the same thing. Nope she wants a new furnace.
> Okey dokie I says and I proceeded with the install. Went to start up
> the new one and it would not fire. Checked it out and the pressure
> switch wouldn't make. Went outside and heard gurgling in the vent
> pipe. Went back downstairs and checked out the venting. Turns out I
> over bid the repair cost as some jack ass non union hack strapped the
> exhaust vent up with panduit strap and created a big dip in the pipe
> which when the furnace ran hard on cold day water trapped in the dip
> and it shut off on the pressure switch. I took my snips and cut the
> strap and about a gallon of water drains out and the new one fired
> right up. She's had zero problems since. Hauling the old one out she
> asked me if I was going to recycle the old furnace. I said yes I am
> and thought to myself, I'm going to recycle it right into my home
> since it was the perfect size and the price was right. Free. So far
> between the furnace and a additional 14" of blown insulation I added
> to the attic I've save two tanks of propane a year. A hearty thank
> you to the non union hack who didn't know his ass from a fire truck.
> Its been 3 years now and I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it.
> True story.
Some people have more money than brains.
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on January 21, 2009, 11:11 pm
I think it's a brain jam. People think the furnace (or the
vehicle, or whatever) is the problem. So, they rush to the
conclusion that you have to change out the furnace, sell the
vehicle, etc. A woman I know from church bought a panel van
that had several small problems. She finally sold it for
scrap, when the neutral safety switch failed. I thought she
was out of her mind, but that's just me. I called a guy I
know, who probably changed the safety switch and sold the
van for a good markup.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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> right up. She's had zero problems since. Hauling the old
> one out she
> asked me if I was going to recycle the old furnace. I
> said yes I am
> and thought to myself, I'm going to recycle it right into
> my home
> since it was the perfect size and the price was right.
> Free. So far
> between the furnace and a additional 14" of blown
> insulation I added
> to the attic I've save two tanks of propane a year. A
> hearty thank
> you to the non union hack who didn't know his ass from a
> fire truck.
> Its been 3 years now and I haven't had a lick of trouble
> out of it.
> True story.
Some people have more money than brains.
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Posted by Alexander on January 21, 2009, 10:58 pm
The King wrote:
>
>> Don't want any help or advice.
>> Just would like an opinion or two based on your field experience relative to
the following;
>> Got 3 yr. old Gas fired Trane with a Western Digital board and a WD Silicon
Nitride Igniter. No heat problem-Service Tech quickly and correctly diagnosed a
failed Igniter. I've read that the typical life of an Igniter is about 3-5 yrs
but you can get at least 3 plus additional years with the Silicon Nitride type.
So, did the one installed in my furnace fail prematurely (non typical-infant
mortality) or is the longer life a bit exaggerated and just more hype to justify
the higher cost? (Have a Service/Manteca contract so cost is not a factor for me)
>> Also, does the practice of lowering the temperature at night and then
resetting it in the morning (ala programmable thermostat) in time, actually have
a negative impact on the furnace hot section components? That is, because of
the long(er) time components are exposed to the full blast of the furnace (as
the house is brought back up to the new set temperature) their useful life can
be reduced.
>> MLD
>
> I've seen them last anywhere from a year to ten years. The one in my
> furnace is going on six years without replacement. Someone had wrote
> with a sharpie the date that it was last changed.
>
> Interesting story about how I got my York Stellar 90 plus.
>
> Went on a furnace change out and when I looked at the one to be
> replaced I went to the owner and told her I can fix this furnace for
> about a dollar. It looked brand new. She declined saying that she
> had had enough of the POS as it always gave her trouble. Called the
> salesman told him the same thing. Nope she wants a new furnace.
> Called my boss told him the same thing. Nope she wants a new furnace.
> Okey dokie I says and I proceeded with the install. Went to start up
> the new one and it would not fire. Checked it out and the pressure
> switch wouldn't make. Went outside and heard gurgling in the vent
> pipe. Went back downstairs and checked out the venting. Turns out I
> over bid the repair cost as some jack ass non union hack strapped the
> exhaust vent up with panduit strap and created a big dip in the pipe
> which when the furnace ran hard on cold day water trapped in the dip
> and it shut off on the pressure switch. I took my snips and cut the
> strap and about a gallon of water drains out and the new one fired
> right up. She's had zero problems since. Hauling the old one out she
> asked me if I was going to recycle the old furnace. I said yes I am
> and thought to myself, I'm going to recycle it right into my home
> since it was the perfect size and the price was right. Free. So far
> between the furnace and a additional 14" of blown insulation I added
> to the attic I've save two tanks of propane a year. A hearty thank
> you to the non union hack who didn't know his ass from a fire truck.
> Its been 3 years now and I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it.
>
> True story.
We all know that was a job by your Apprentice. Thats how you got the
Job. He learned well from you. I bet you pull that stunt every time you
find a furnace you want. ;-)
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