Lennox Furnace drain issue

Posted by The King on December 28, 2008, 10:32 am

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:05:53 -0800 (PST), jkennedy1@gmail.com wrote:

>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:13:20 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:

>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>> Hi, I purchased a new high effiency Lennox G61V furnace a year ago,
>> >> >>>>>> and have had problems ever since. After numerous visits from the
>> >> >>>>>> installer, we've finally determined that water from the cold header
>> >> >>>>>> box (which sit directly behind the combustion inducer fan), does not
>> >> >>>>>> drain out until the furnace shuts down. So, basically if it is cold
>> >> >>>>>> outside and the furnace runs for several hours straight, that water
>> >> >>>>>> continues to build up and gets into the inducer fan, which cause all
>> >> >>>>>> kinds of problems, and the furnace shuts down.
>> >> >>>>>> The service people I've used have called lennox, but can not figure
>> >> >>>>>> out why the water would not drain out until the furnace winds down

or
>> >> >>>>>> is shut off.
>> >> >>>>>> Has anyone run into this issue before? I'm a good $1000 in on
>> >> >>>>>> maintenance fees right now and I'm not sure what to do at this

point.
>> >> >>>>>> thanks,
>> >> >>>>>> Joe
>> >> >>>>>Was it the lowest price?? Seems that one of the first things they cut
>> >> >>>>>corners on is not putting a proper trap in the drain line. There is a
>> >> >>>>>reason
>> >> >>>>>for the trap being there....looks like you found out about it the hard
>> >> >>>>>way.
>> >> >>>> The trap is incorporated into the furnace at the factory. He is not
>> >> >>>> talking about the trap on the a coil. Which BTW isn't needed on a up
>> >> >>>> flow furnace you dolt.
>> >> >>>Having never worked on that particular model, I'll take you word for

it...
>> >> >>>Either way, from the symptoms, there are issues with the trap either

being
>> >> >>>partially blocked or not being deep enough.
>> >> >> I agree that it sounds like a trap problem or possibly a venting issue
>> >> >> with the pitch of the pipe. Its not a field fabricated trap. Like
>> >> >> all 90 plus furnaces, the trap comes with the furnace.
>> >> >>>Now....as far as a trap on an upflow coil, Rheem/RUUD *REQUIRES* that
>> >> >>>there
>> >> >>>be a trap that a minimum of 6 inches below the coil pan, and the trap

must
>> >> >>>be a minimum of 3 inches deep. There is a reason the factory puts notes

in
>> >> >>>the installation instructions and puts a sticker on the coil and/or coil
>> >> >>>casing that gives the dimentions of the required trap. I have seen the
>> >> >>>same
>> >> >>>trap requirements for Carrier and Trane. Not only do they give the
>> >> >>>dimentions, but they also include pictures...*just* for you.
>> >> >> I don't know why they would make it a requirement since it has nothing
>> >> >> to do with condensate drainage on an up flow.
>> >> >> Blow thru coils don't need a trap to drain properly. Pull thru coils
>> >> >> do.
>> >> >I didn't write the installation instructions.... but I do actually *READ*
>> >> >them, and follow them. So far, I have never seen installation

instructions
>> >> >that said that traps were only for "pull through coils".
>> >> > Maybe you could
>> >> >show me where installation instructions say that traps are only required

for
>> >> >"blow through" evap coils?? or maybe give me a code site??
>> >> It doesn't have anything to do with codes or installation
>> >> instructions. It has to do with the static pressure across the coil
>> >> and drain pan. As you full well know, or should know, when a blower
>> >> is downstream (pull thru) of the evap coil it wont drain until the
>> >> blower shuts off. When the blower is upstream of the coil it will
>> >> drain just fine regardless of if its trapped or not.
>> >> So why do they want a trap on an up flow? I suspect its just over
>> >> kill.- Hide quoted text -
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >Alright, since this is a Usenet group, I can't email or load photos
>> >(thanks google). King, can I just emial you a picture of the front of
>> >the furance so you can see if anything look incorrect? Also can you
>> >explain your comment above further (I am rookie on this stuff right
>> >now). I have an upflow furnace, the exhaust pipe is above the
>> >blower. So I agree with you, why do I even need a trap, I don't see
>> >how any fumes would go anywhere but up. thx.

>> Were talking two different traps. One for the A/C condensate and the
>> one for the furnace condensate. You need the trap for the furnace
>> condensate. Make sure the trap is clean, make sure the exhaust is
>> pitched back towards the furnace 1/4 inch per liner foot with no sags,
>> make sure there are no kinks in any drain lines, make sure there are
>> no blockages in any drain lines inside and outside of the furnace.- Hide

quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -

>I see. this situation does not seem to be a problem with the exhaust
>condensation/ drainage,

Sorry but there is a problem with the exhaust condensate drainage.
>and I have check the 1/4 inch decline on the
>pipe. The cold header box behind the inducer fan does not drain
>(although I can hear water in there) until the furnace shuts down.

Wheres the pics?

Posted by on December 30, 2008, 12:14 pm

> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:05:53 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:13:20 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:55:18 -0600, "Steve" <jstev...@comcast.ne=

> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:22:45 -0600, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comca=

st.net>

> >> >> >>>> wrote:

oups.com...

> >> >> >>>>>> Hi, I purchased a new high effiency Lennox G61V furnace a ye=

ar ago,

> >> >> >>>>>> and have had problems ever since. =A0After numerous visits f=

rom the

> >> >> >>>>>> installer, we've finally determined that water from the cold=

header

> >> >> >>>>>> box (which sit directly behind the combustion inducer fan), =

does not

> >> >> >>>>>> drain out until the furnace shuts down. =A0So, basically if =

it is cold

> >> >> >>>>>> outside and the furnace runs for several hours straight, tha=

t water

> >> >> >>>>>> continues to build up and gets into the inducer fan, which c=

ause all

> >> >> >>>>>> kinds of problems, and the furnace shuts down.
> >> >> >>>>>> The service people I've used have called lennox, but can not=

figure

> >> >> >>>>>> out why the water would not drain out until the furnace wind=

s down or

> >> >> >>>>>> is shut off.
> >> >> >>>>>> Has anyone run into this issue before? =A0I'm a good $1000 i=

n on

> >> >> >>>>>> maintenance fees right now and I'm not sure what to do at th=

is point.

> >> >> >>>>>> thanks,
> >> >> >>>>>> Joe
> >> >> >>>>>Was it the lowest price?? Seems that one of the first things t=

hey cut

> >> >> >>>>>corners on is not putting a proper trap in the drain line. The=

re is a

> >> >> >>>>>reason
> >> >> >>>>>for the trap being there....looks like you found out about it =

the hard

> >> >> >>>>>way.
> >> >> >>>> The trap is incorporated into the furnace at the factory. =A0H=

e is not

> >> >> >>>> talking about the trap on the a coil. =A0Which BTW isn't neede=

d on a up

> >> >> >>>> flow furnace you dolt.
> >> >> >>>Having never worked on that particular model, I'll take you word=

for it...

> >> >> >>>Either way, from the symptoms, there are issues with the trap ei=

ther being

> >> >> >>>partially blocked or not being deep enough.
> >> >> >> I agree that it sounds like a trap problem or possibly a venting=

issue

> >> >> >> with the pitch of the pipe. =A0Its not a field fabricated trap. =

=A0Like

> >> >> >> all 90 plus furnaces, the trap comes with the furnace.
> >> >> >>>Now....as far as a trap on an upflow coil, Rheem/RUUD *REQUIRES*=

that

> >> >> >>>there
> >> >> >>>be a trap that a minimum of 6 inches below the coil pan, and the=

trap must

> >> >> >>>be a minimum of 3 inches deep. There is a reason the factory put=

s notes in

> >> >> >>>the installation instructions and puts a sticker on the coil and=

/or coil

> >> >> >>>casing that gives the dimentions of the required trap. I have se=

en the

> >> >> >>>same
> >> >> >>>trap requirements for Carrier and Trane. Not only do they give t=

> >> >> >>>dimentions, but they also include pictures...*just* for you.
> >> >> >> I don't know why they would make it a requirement since it has n=

othing

> >> >> >> to do with condensate drainage on an up flow.
> >> >> >> Blow thru coils don't need a trap to drain properly. =A0Pull thr=

u coils

> >> >> >> do.
> >> >> >I didn't write the installation instructions.... but I do actually=

*READ*

> >> >> >them, and follow them. =A0So far, I have never seen installation i=

nstructions

> >> >> >that said that traps were only for "pull through coils".
> >> >> > Maybe you could
> >> >> >show me where installation instructions say that traps are only re=

quired for

> >> >> >"blow through" evap coils?? or maybe give me a code site??
> >> >> It doesn't have anything to do with codes or installation
> >> >> instructions. =A0It =A0has to do with the static pressure across th=

e coil

> >> >> and drain pan. =A0As you full well know, or should know, when a blo=

wer

> >> >> is downstream (pull thru) of the evap coil it wont drain until the
> >> >> blower shuts off. =A0When the blower is upstream of the coil it wil=

> >> >> drain just fine regardless of if its trapped or not. =A0
> >> >> So why do they want a trap on an up flow? =A0I suspect its just ove=

> >> >> kill.- Hide quoted text -
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >Alright, since this is a Usenet group, I can't email or load photos
> >> >(thanks google). =A0King, can I just emial you a picture of the front=

> >> >the furance so you can see if anything look incorrect? =A0Also can yo=

> >> >explain your comment above further (I am rookie on this stuff right
> >> >now). =A0I have an upflow furnace, the exhaust pipe is above the
> >> >blower. =A0So I agree with you, why do I even need a trap, I don't se=

> >> >how any fumes would go anywhere but up. thx.
> >> Were talking two different traps. =A0One for the A/C condensate and th=

> >> one for the furnace condensate. =A0You need the trap for the furnace
> >> condensate. =A0Make sure the trap is clean, make sure the exhaust is
> >> pitched back towards the furnace 1/4 inch per liner foot with no sags,
> >> make sure there are no kinks in any drain lines, make sure there are
> >> no blockages in any drain lines inside and outside of the furnace.- Hi=

de quoted text -

> >> - Show quoted text -

> >I see. =A0this situation does not seem to be a problem with the exhaust
> >condensation/ drainage,

> Sorry but there is a problem with the exhaust condensate drainage.

> >and I have check the 1/4 inch decline on the
> >pipe. =A0The cold header box behind the inducer fan does not drain
> >(although I can hear water in there) until the furnace shuts down.

> Wheres the pics?- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

I just send you the pictures. Also wanted to mention the error code
that occurs is 2 + 5 "High Pressure Switch Failed open. Check blocked
inlet/exhaust or condensate line (condensing furnaces only)"

Posted by The King on December 30, 2008, 5:17 pm

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:14:43 -0800 (PST), jkennedy1@gmail.com wrote:

>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:05:53 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:

>> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:13:20 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:22:45 -0600, "Noon-Air"
>> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Hi, I purchased a new high effiency Lennox G61V furnace a year

ago,
>> >> >> >>>>>> and have had problems ever since. After numerous visits from the
>> >> >> >>>>>> installer, we've finally determined that water from the cold

header
>> >> >> >>>>>> box (which sit directly behind the combustion inducer fan), does

not
>> >> >> >>>>>> drain out until the furnace shuts down. So, basically if it is

cold
>> >> >> >>>>>> outside and the furnace runs for several hours straight, that

water
>> >> >> >>>>>> continues to build up and gets into the inducer fan, which cause

all
>> >> >> >>>>>> kinds of problems, and the furnace shuts down.
>> >> >> >>>>>> The service people I've used have called lennox, but can not

figure
>> >> >> >>>>>> out why the water would not drain out until the furnace winds

down or
>> >> >> >>>>>> is shut off.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Has anyone run into this issue before? I'm a good $1000 in on
>> >> >> >>>>>> maintenance fees right now and I'm not sure what to do at this

point.
>> >> >> >>>>>> thanks,
>> >> >> >>>>>> Joe
>> >> >> >>>>>Was it the lowest price?? Seems that one of the first things they

cut
>> >> >> >>>>>corners on is not putting a proper trap in the drain line. There

is a
>> >> >> >>>>>reason
>> >> >> >>>>>for the trap being there....looks like you found out about it the

hard
>> >> >> >>>>>way.
>> >> >> >>>> The trap is incorporated into the furnace at the factory. He is

not
>> >> >> >>>> talking about the trap on the a coil. Which BTW isn't needed on a

up
>> >> >> >>>> flow furnace you dolt.
>> >> >> >>>Having never worked on that particular model, I'll take you word for

it...
>> >> >> >>>Either way, from the symptoms, there are issues with the trap either

being
>> >> >> >>>partially blocked or not being deep enough.
>> >> >> >> I agree that it sounds like a trap problem or possibly a venting

issue
>> >> >> >> with the pitch of the pipe. Its not a field fabricated trap. Like
>> >> >> >> all 90 plus furnaces, the trap comes with the furnace.
>> >> >> >>>Now....as far as a trap on an upflow coil, Rheem/RUUD *REQUIRES* that
>> >> >> >>>there
>> >> >> >>>be a trap that a minimum of 6 inches below the coil pan, and the

trap must
>> >> >> >>>be a minimum of 3 inches deep. There is a reason the factory puts

notes in
>> >> >> >>>the installation instructions and puts a sticker on the coil and/or

coil
>> >> >> >>>casing that gives the dimentions of the required trap. I have seen

the
>> >> >> >>>same
>> >> >> >>>trap requirements for Carrier and Trane. Not only do they give the
>> >> >> >>>dimentions, but they also include pictures...*just* for you.
>> >> >> >> I don't know why they would make it a requirement since it has

nothing
>> >> >> >> to do with condensate drainage on an up flow.
>> >> >> >> Blow thru coils don't need a trap to drain properly. Pull thru coils
>> >> >> >> do.
>> >> >> >I didn't write the installation instructions.... but I do actually

*READ*
>> >> >> >them, and follow them. So far, I have never seen installation

instructions
>> >> >> >that said that traps were only for "pull through coils".
>> >> >> > Maybe you could
>> >> >> >show me where installation instructions say that traps are only

required for
>> >> >> >"blow through" evap coils?? or maybe give me a code site??
>> >> >> It doesn't have anything to do with codes or installation
>> >> >> instructions. It has to do with the static pressure across the coil
>> >> >> and drain pan. As you full well know, or should know, when a blower
>> >> >> is downstream (pull thru) of the evap coil it wont drain until the
>> >> >> blower shuts off. When the blower is upstream of the coil it will
>> >> >> drain just fine regardless of if its trapped or not.
>> >> >> So why do they want a trap on an up flow? I suspect its just over
>> >> >> kill.- Hide quoted text -
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >> >Alright, since this is a Usenet group, I can't email or load photos
>> >> >(thanks google). King, can I just emial you a picture of the front of
>> >> >the furance so you can see if anything look incorrect? Also can you
>> >> >explain your comment above further (I am rookie on this stuff right
>> >> >now). I have an upflow furnace, the exhaust pipe is above the
>> >> >blower. So I agree with you, why do I even need a trap, I don't see
>> >> >how any fumes would go anywhere but up. thx.
>> >> Were talking two different traps. One for the A/C condensate and the
>> >> one for the furnace condensate. You need the trap for the furnace
>> >> condensate. Make sure the trap is clean, make sure the exhaust is
>> >> pitched back towards the furnace 1/4 inch per liner foot with no sags,
>> >> make sure there are no kinks in any drain lines, make sure there are
>> >> no blockages in any drain lines inside and outside of the furnace.- Hide

quoted text -
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >I see. this situation does not seem to be a problem with the exhaust
>> >condensation/ drainage,

>> Sorry but there is a problem with the exhaust condensate drainage.

>> >and I have check the 1/4 inch decline on the
>> >pipe. The cold header box behind the inducer fan does not drain
>> >(although I can hear water in there) until the furnace shuts down.

>> Wheres the pics?- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -

>I just send you the pictures. Also wanted to mention the error code
>that occurs is 2 + 5 "High Pressure Switch Failed open. Check blocked
>inlet/exhaust or condensate line (condensing furnaces only)"

Ill bet money there is a problem with the trap. have the tech bring
out a new one and see what happens.

Posted by The King on December 30, 2008, 5:25 pm

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:17:31 -0500, The King

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:14:43 -0800 (PST), jkennedy1@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:05:53 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:13:20 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:22:45 -0600, "Noon-Air"
>>> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>>>>> Hi, I purchased a new high effiency Lennox G61V furnace a year

ago,
>>> >> >> >>>>>> and have had problems ever since. After numerous visits from

the
>>> >> >> >>>>>> installer, we've finally determined that water from the cold

header
>>> >> >> >>>>>> box (which sit directly behind the combustion inducer fan),

does not
>>> >> >> >>>>>> drain out until the furnace shuts down. So, basically if it is

cold
>>> >> >> >>>>>> outside and the furnace runs for several hours straight, that

water
>>> >> >> >>>>>> continues to build up and gets into the inducer fan, which

cause all
>>> >> >> >>>>>> kinds of problems, and the furnace shuts down.
>>> >> >> >>>>>> The service people I've used have called lennox, but can not

figure
>>> >> >> >>>>>> out why the water would not drain out until the furnace winds

down or
>>> >> >> >>>>>> is shut off.
>>> >> >> >>>>>> Has anyone run into this issue before? I'm a good $1000 in on
>>> >> >> >>>>>> maintenance fees right now and I'm not sure what to do at this

point.
>>> >> >> >>>>>> thanks,
>>> >> >> >>>>>> Joe
>>> >> >> >>>>>Was it the lowest price?? Seems that one of the first things they

cut
>>> >> >> >>>>>corners on is not putting a proper trap in the drain line. There

is a
>>> >> >> >>>>>reason
>>> >> >> >>>>>for the trap being there....looks like you found out about it the

hard
>>> >> >> >>>>>way.
>>> >> >> >>>> The trap is incorporated into the furnace at the factory. He is

not
>>> >> >> >>>> talking about the trap on the a coil. Which BTW isn't needed on

a up
>>> >> >> >>>> flow furnace you dolt.
>>> >> >> >>>Having never worked on that particular model, I'll take you word

for it...
>>> >> >> >>>Either way, from the symptoms, there are issues with the trap

either being
>>> >> >> >>>partially blocked or not being deep enough.
>>> >> >> >> I agree that it sounds like a trap problem or possibly a venting

issue
>>> >> >> >> with the pitch of the pipe. Its not a field fabricated trap. Like
>>> >> >> >> all 90 plus furnaces, the trap comes with the furnace.
>>> >> >> >>>Now....as far as a trap on an upflow coil, Rheem/RUUD *REQUIRES*

that
>>> >> >> >>>there
>>> >> >> >>>be a trap that a minimum of 6 inches below the coil pan, and the

trap must
>>> >> >> >>>be a minimum of 3 inches deep. There is a reason the factory puts

notes in
>>> >> >> >>>the installation instructions and puts a sticker on the coil and/or

coil
>>> >> >> >>>casing that gives the dimentions of the required trap. I have seen

the
>>> >> >> >>>same
>>> >> >> >>>trap requirements for Carrier and Trane. Not only do they give the
>>> >> >> >>>dimentions, but they also include pictures...*just* for you.
>>> >> >> >> I don't know why they would make it a requirement since it has

nothing
>>> >> >> >> to do with condensate drainage on an up flow.
>>> >> >> >> Blow thru coils don't need a trap to drain properly. Pull thru

coils
>>> >> >> >> do.
>>> >> >> >I didn't write the installation instructions.... but I do actually

*READ*
>>> >> >> >them, and follow them. So far, I have never seen installation

instructions
>>> >> >> >that said that traps were only for "pull through coils".
>>> >> >> > Maybe you could
>>> >> >> >show me where installation instructions say that traps are only

required for
>>> >> >> >"blow through" evap coils?? or maybe give me a code site??
>>> >> >> It doesn't have anything to do with codes or installation
>>> >> >> instructions. It has to do with the static pressure across the coil
>>> >> >> and drain pan. As you full well know, or should know, when a blower
>>> >> >> is downstream (pull thru) of the evap coil it wont drain until the
>>> >> >> blower shuts off. When the blower is upstream of the coil it will
>>> >> >> drain just fine regardless of if its trapped or not.
>>> >> >> So why do they want a trap on an up flow? I suspect its just over
>>> >> >> kill.- Hide quoted text -
>>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>> >> >Alright, since this is a Usenet group, I can't email or load photos
>>> >> >(thanks google). King, can I just emial you a picture of the front of
>>> >> >the furance so you can see if anything look incorrect? Also can you
>>> >> >explain your comment above further (I am rookie on this stuff right
>>> >> >now). I have an upflow furnace, the exhaust pipe is above the
>>> >> >blower. So I agree with you, why do I even need a trap, I don't see
>>> >> >how any fumes would go anywhere but up. thx.
>>> >> Were talking two different traps. One for the A/C condensate and the
>>> >> one for the furnace condensate. You need the trap for the furnace
>>> >> condensate. Make sure the trap is clean, make sure the exhaust is
>>> >> pitched back towards the furnace 1/4 inch per liner foot with no sags,
>>> >> make sure there are no kinks in any drain lines, make sure there are
>>> >> no blockages in any drain lines inside and outside of the furnace.- Hide

quoted text -
>>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>> >I see. this situation does not seem to be a problem with the exhaust
>>> >condensation/ drainage,
>>> Sorry but there is a problem with the exhaust condensate drainage.
>>> >and I have check the 1/4 inch decline on the
>>> >pipe. The cold header box behind the inducer fan does not drain
>>> >(although I can hear water in there) until the furnace shuts down.
>>> Wheres the pics?- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -

>>I just send you the pictures. Also wanted to mention the error code
>>that occurs is 2 + 5 "High Pressure Switch Failed open. Check blocked
>>inlet/exhaust or condensate line (condensing furnaces only)"

>Ill bet money there is a problem with the trap. have the tech bring
>out a new one and see what happens.

Scratch that since its been replaced twice. Have Lennox replace the
furnace. :)

Posted by on December 30, 2008, 7:21 pm

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:17:31 -0500, The King

> >On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:14:43 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:

> >>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:05:53 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:13:20 -0800 (PST), jkenne...@gmail.com wrot=

e:
e:

> >>> >> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:39:44 -0600, "Steve" <jstev...@comcast.n=

et>

> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:55:18 -0600, "Steve" <jstev...@comcas=

t.net>

> >>> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:22:45 -0600, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@c=

omcast.net>

> >>> >> >> >>>> wrote:

legroups.com...

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> Hi, I purchased a new high effiency Lennox G61V furnace =

a year ago,

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> and have had problems ever since. =A0After numerous visi=

ts from the

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> installer, we've finally determined that water from the =

cold header

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> box (which sit directly behind the combustion inducer fa=

n), does not

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> drain out until the furnace shuts down. =A0So, basically=

if it is cold

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> outside and the furnace runs for several hours straight,=

that water

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> continues to build up and gets into the inducer fan, whi=

ch cause all

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> kinds of problems, and the furnace shuts down.
> >>> >> >> >>>>>> The service people I've used have called lennox, but can=

not figure

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> out why the water would not drain out until the furnace =

winds down or

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> is shut off.
> >>> >> >> >>>>>> Has anyone run into this issue before? =A0I'm a good $10=

00 in on

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> maintenance fees right now and I'm not sure what to do a=

t this point.

> >>> >> >> >>>>>> thanks,
> >>> >> >> >>>>>> Joe
> >>> >> >> >>>>>Was it the lowest price?? Seems that one of the first thin=

gs they cut

> >>> >> >> >>>>>corners on is not putting a proper trap in the drain line.=

There is a

> >>> >> >> >>>>>reason
> >>> >> >> >>>>>for the trap being there....looks like you found out about=

it the hard

> >>> >> >> >>>>>way.
> >>> >> >> >>>> The trap is incorporated into the furnace at the factory. =

=A0He is not

> >>> >> >> >>>> talking about the trap on the a coil. =A0Which BTW isn't n=

eeded on a up

> >>> >> >> >>>> flow furnace you dolt.
> >>> >> >> >>>Having never worked on that particular model, I'll take you =

word for it...

> >>> >> >> >>>Either way, from the symptoms, there are issues with the tra=

p either being

> >>> >> >> >>>partially blocked or not being deep enough.
> >>> >> >> >> I agree that it sounds like a trap problem or possibly a ven=

ting issue

> >>> >> >> >> with the pitch of the pipe. =A0Its not a field fabricated tr=

ap. =A0Like

> >>> >> >> >> all 90 plus furnaces, the trap comes with the furnace.
> >>> >> >> >>>Now....as far as a trap on an upflow coil, Rheem/RUUD *REQUI=

RES* that

> >>> >> >> >>>there
> >>> >> >> >>>be a trap that a minimum of 6 inches below the coil pan, and=

the trap must

> >>> >> >> >>>be a minimum of 3 inches deep. There is a reason the factory=

puts notes in

> >>> >> >> >>>the installation instructions and puts a sticker on the coil=

and/or coil

> >>> >> >> >>>casing that gives the dimentions of the required trap. I hav=

e seen the

> >>> >> >> >>>same
> >>> >> >> >>>trap requirements for Carrier and Trane. Not only do they gi=

ve the

> >>> >> >> >>>dimentions, but they also include pictures...*just* for you.
> >>> >> >> >> I don't know why they would make it a requirement since it h=

as nothing

> >>> >> >> >> to do with condensate drainage on an up flow.
> >>> >> >> >> Blow thru coils don't need a trap to drain properly. =A0Pull=

thru coils

> >>> >> >> >> do.
> >>> >> >> >I didn't write the installation instructions.... but I do actu=

ally *READ*

> >>> >> >> >them, and follow them. =A0So far, I have never seen installati=

on instructions

> >>> >> >> >that said that traps were only for "pull through coils".
> >>> >> >> > Maybe you could
> >>> >> >> >show me where installation instructions say that traps are onl=

y required for

> >>> >> >> >"blow through" evap coils?? or maybe give me a code site??
> >>> >> >> It doesn't have anything to do with codes or installation
> >>> >> >> instructions. =A0It =A0has to do with the static pressure acros=

s the coil

> >>> >> >> and drain pan. =A0As you full well know, or should know, when a=

blower

> >>> >> >> is downstream (pull thru) of the evap coil it wont drain until =

the

> >>> >> >> blower shuts off. =A0When the blower is upstream of the coil it=

will

> >>> >> >> drain just fine regardless of if its trapped or not. =A0
> >>> >> >> So why do they want a trap on an up flow? =A0I suspect its just=

over

> >>> >> >> kill.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >>> >> >Alright, since this is a Usenet group, I can't email or load phot=

> >>> >> >(thanks google). =A0King, can I just emial you a picture of the f=

ront of

> >>> >> >the furance so you can see if anything look incorrect? =A0Also ca=

n you

> >>> >> >explain your comment above further (I am rookie on this stuff rig=

> >>> >> >now). =A0I have an upflow furnace, the exhaust pipe is above the
> >>> >> >blower. =A0So I agree with you, why do I even need a trap, I don'=

t see

> >>> >> >how any fumes would go anywhere but up. thx.
> >>> >> Were talking two different traps. =A0One for the A/C condensate an=

d the

> >>> >> one for the furnace condensate. =A0You need the trap for the furna=

> >>> >> condensate. =A0Make sure the trap is clean, make sure the exhaust =

> >>> >> pitched back towards the furnace 1/4 inch per liner foot with no s=

ags,

> >>> >> make sure there are no kinks in any drain lines, make sure there a=

> >>> >> no blockages in any drain lines inside and outside of the furnace.=

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> >>> >> - Show quoted text -
> >>> >I see. =A0this situation does not seem to be a problem with the exha=

ust

> >>> >condensation/ drainage,
> >>> Sorry but there is a problem with the exhaust condensate drainage.
> >>> >and I have check the 1/4 inch decline on the
> >>> >pipe. =A0The cold header box behind the inducer fan does not drain
> >>> >(although I can hear water in there) until the furnace shuts down.
> >>> Wheres the pics?- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >>I just send you the pictures. =A0Also wanted to mention the error code
> >>that occurs is 2 + 5 "High Pressure Switch Failed open. Check blocked
> >>inlet/exhaust or condensate line (condensing furnaces only)"

> >Ill bet money there is a problem with the trap. =A0have the tech bring
> >out a new one and see what happens.

> Scratch that since its been replaced twice. =A0Have Lennox replace the
> furnace. =A0:)- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Yep, going back to my installer is all I can do at this point, fun
times. Get to confirm something, is water from that cold header box
supposed to drain out while the furnace is running? With that inducer
fan going, wouldn't I expect the fan suction to hold that water in the
box while it's spinning?

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