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Load Calculation Dick Adams 06-15-2008
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Posted by Dick Adams on June 16, 2008, 7:16 pm
> Dick Adams wrote:

>> When I needed a new roof, it took me over a year
>> to find a rep who knew roofing. One rep told me
>> the job would be a roof over and would need 24
>> squares. I knew the roof already had two layer
>> and would be a tear-off - plus the roof was only
>> 24 squares. Needless to say I am leery of home
>> improvement reps.
>>
>> But now every one with whom I have spoken about
>> a new AC unit has a Master License (I checked).
>> But not one of them has done a load calculation.
>> And the lowest bid for a 2.5 ton, Seer-15 is
>> $5,400.
>>
>> Where can I find the math for a load calculation?

> I don't show my load calculations on estimates.. You buy the job
> you get to see about $300 worth of load calculations. This isn't a
> hobby. A good computerized Load calc costs upwards to a $thousand and up
> to $5 thousand with all of the duct, material, etc addons. Plus it takes
> a few hours to input and get it right. Inspection department has to OK
> it along with the work plan. I don't do the paper hob for my
> competitors. When they worked for me I taught them right and let them do
> their own work. If you want to pay for the load calc..That is business..
> Free.. no way!

Since you won't show me your load calculation, why should
I believe you did one?

For all I know you're just looking at my existing unit
and making a bid to see how much I'm willing to pay.

Dick

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Posted by on June 16, 2008, 7:29 pm
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:16:04 +0000 (UTC), rdadams@panix.com (Dick
Adams) wrote:

>> Dick Adams wrote:
>
>>> When I needed a new roof, it took me over a year
>>> to find a rep who knew roofing. One rep told me
>>> the job would be a roof over and would need 24
>>> squares. I knew the roof already had two layer
>>> and would be a tear-off - plus the roof was only
>>> 24 squares. Needless to say I am leery of home
>>> improvement reps.
>>>
>>> But now every one with whom I have spoken about
>>> a new AC unit has a Master License (I checked).
>>> But not one of them has done a load calculation.
>>> And the lowest bid for a 2.5 ton, Seer-15 is
>>> $5,400.
>>>
>>> Where can I find the math for a load calculation?
>
>> I don't show my load calculations on estimates.. You buy the job
>> you get to see about $300 worth of load calculations. This isn't a
>> hobby. A good computerized Load calc costs upwards to a $thousand and up
>> to $5 thousand with all of the duct, material, etc addons. Plus it takes
>> a few hours to input and get it right. Inspection department has to OK
>> it along with the work plan. I don't do the paper hob for my
>> competitors. When they worked for me I taught them right and let them do
>> their own work. If you want to pay for the load calc..That is business..
>> Free.. no way!
>
>Since you won't show me your load calculation, why should
>I believe you did one?
>
>For all I know you're just looking at my existing unit
>and making a bid to see how much I'm willing to pay.

        What makes you think a contractor invests all that work just
to put in a bid, among however many other contractors you called for
bids ? The load calc gets done AFTER you sign the contract, and
equipment specs are adjusted as needed.




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Posted by Dick Adams on June 16, 2008, 7:58 pm
> Dick Adams wrote:

>> Since you won't show me your load calculation, why should
>> I believe you did one?
>>
>> For all I know you're just looking at my existing unit
>> and making a bid to see how much I'm willing to pay.

> What makes you think a contractor invests all that work just
> to put in a bid, among however many other contractors you called for
> bids ? The load calc gets done AFTER you sign the contract, and
> equipment specs are adjusted as needed.

Sounds like buying a pig in a poke to me.
As in, agree to pay me and then I'll tell you what
you really need as the estimate increases.

I've been this route with roofers. But I knew how
to do the calculations and I inspected my roof so
I knew who the BS artists were.

Dick

Posted by on June 16, 2008, 9:24 pm
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:58:33 +0000 (UTC), rdadams@panix.com (Dick
Adams) wrote:

>> Dick Adams wrote:
>
>>> Since you won't show me your load calculation, why should
>>> I believe you did one?
>>>
>>> For all I know you're just looking at my existing unit
>>> and making a bid to see how much I'm willing to pay.
>
>> What makes you think a contractor invests all that work just
>> to put in a bid, among however many other contractors you called for
>> bids ? The load calc gets done AFTER you sign the contract, and
>> equipment specs are adjusted as needed.
>
>Sounds like buying a pig in a poke to me.

        Soundds like that's your problem, and doesn't really interest
me.

>As in, agree to pay me and then I'll tell you what
>you really need as the estimate increases.

        As in 'my experience tells me you likely need a 2.5 ton unit,
after we sign a contract I will do a load calc ( several hours work )
to make sure we don't need to adjust that down to a 2.0 or up to a
3.0, and the price difference will be this or that ( $$$ specified )
based on that calculation.'

        No, you don't get several hours free work done just for the
priviledge of being one of 3 -5 or more contractors you take bids
from. No, you don't get the results of that work without paying for
it.


>
>I've been this route with roofers. But I knew how
>to do the calculations and I inspected my roof so
>I knew who the BS artists were.
>
>Dick

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Posted by Don Ocean on June 16, 2008, 9:57 pm
Dick Adams wrote:
>> Dick Adams wrote:
>
>>> Since you won't show me your load calculation, why should
>>> I believe you did one?
>>>
>>> For all I know you're just looking at my existing unit
>>> and making a bid to see how much I'm willing to pay.
>
>> What makes you think a contractor invests all that work just
>> to put in a bid, among however many other contractors you called for
>> bids ? The load calc gets done AFTER you sign the contract, and
>> equipment specs are adjusted as needed.
>
> Sounds like buying a pig in a poke to me.

Can't do that.. Might sell you a Buffalo or a Black Angus though.

> As in, agree to pay me and then I'll tell you what
> you really need as the estimate increases.

Not on a contract! Thats a good way to meet big Bubba as his new cell
mate. Fraud not only is illegal but also is not nice. With all this
gerrymandering, I am wondering about *your* morality and ethics.. Mine
are just fine as proven by many years of honest service.

>
> I've been this route with roofers. But I knew how
> to do the calculations and I inspected my roof so
> I knew who the BS artists were.

Well if such is the case why don't you buy a few books and install your
own unit and leave us to service those that really need our expertise?
By the way..We are not roofers and don't do business like roofers. I
service the Grandchildren of my early customers as many others here do.

>
> Dick

I certainly hope that is not descriptive.

I think Barnes & Noble has a new customer. ;-p

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