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Posted by Noon-Air on June 16, 2008, 10:07 pm
> Noon-Air wrote:
>>
>>>> Dick Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>>> When I needed a new roof, it took me over a year
>>>>> to find a rep who knew roofing. One rep told me
>>>>> the job would be a roof over and would need 24
>>>>> squares. I knew the roof already had two layer
>>>>> and would be a tear-off - plus the roof was only
>>>>> 24 squares. Needless to say I am leery of home
>>>>> improvement reps.
>>>>>
>>>>> But now every one with whom I have spoken about
>>>>> a new AC unit has a Master License (I checked).
>>>>> But not one of them has done a load calculation.
>>>>> And the lowest bid for a 2.5 ton, Seer-15 is
>>>>> $5,400.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where can I find the math for a load calculation?
>>>
>>>> I don't show my load calculations on estimates.. You buy the job
>>>> you get to see about $300 worth of load calculations. This isn't a
>>>> hobby. A good computerized Load calc costs upwards to a $thousand and
>>>> up
>>>> to $5 thousand with all of the duct, material, etc addons. Plus it
>>>> takes
>>>> a few hours to input and get it right. Inspection department has to OK
>>>> it along with the work plan. I don't do the paper hob for my
>>>> competitors. When they worked for me I taught them right and let them
>>>> do
>>>> their own work. If you want to pay for the load calc..That is
>>>> business..
>>>> Free.. no way!
>>>
>>> Since you won't show me your load calculation, why should
>>> I believe you did one?
>>>
>>> For all I know you're just looking at my existing unit
>>> and making a bid to see how much I'm willing to pay.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>
>> The correct answer is this.....
>>
>> You will get a printed copy of the load calc report and an ARI
>> certificate of performance when we install the system.
>
> Nope.. First it is filed with the building officials along with an outline
> of the work. When the Inspectors approve the job, You pay the tab..Then
> and only then do you get everything that goes with it including the
> warrantee paperwork. There is no insurance to pull. You own that policy or
> you don't have a license. And a Bond. If you do Government work, it is
> even more complex. By the way the Feds pay for
> all necessary calculations before reviewing your bid. Most states require
> all of this in advance or you don't get your license. and you have to
> update your education each year. The client can of course go to Community
> development and peruse the Marshall-Swift for typical costs of such a job
> in his/her exact area and date. I have no problem with the customer
> getting several competitive bids either. As for price books, I have no
> intention of allowing my competition to get a look at that. It is a bid
> with all services and equipment listed with a bottom line price. This bid
> is good for 30 days and gives the period of time for the job. If we are
> financing the Job, then there is a whole other paperwork to be included.
> We like it that way, the customer likes it that way and both yours and our
> bankers like it like that. Even the Lawyers understand that. My job is to
> do your job with as least pain to you as possible.
Ummm... Don, here we don't have to get approval from the inspectors *before*
doing the job, and I don't have a problem with the customer seeing it, as my
book only shows *INSTALLED* prices.....Its all flat rate. I offer a
certificate of insurance for every install that I do, and thats as a
courtesy only. The only place here where licensing et all is an issue, is
inside of the city limits. Outside the city limits is where the scarey stuff
happens and I get called to fix it. FWIW, I don't do "estimates" I only do
written quotes, and yes they are only good for 30 days.
>> Here is the installed price from my price book, there is no guesswork,
>> and no surprises. Would you like me to pull a certificate of insurance
>> for this job??
>>
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