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Lochinvar Energy Rite 2 Graham Campbell 09-03-2006
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Posted by Bob Pietrangelo on September 5, 2006, 5:06 pm
I haven't been following this thread that closely, but we have had some
uncurable problems with the unit. At least we thought they were. It ended
up being the water flow switch on the waterside. We cracked open the bypass
and had no other problems.

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> Thanks. Like I said, I set it up per the manual. Lochinvar had people
> there today - they couldn't figure it out. A real confidence builder.
>
>>
>> Graham Campbell wrote:
>>> Has anybody had problems with the Lochinvar Energy Rite 2? I have 2 of
>>> them - one doing pool water and the other one doing the spa water.
>>> Neither
>>> will lite. I have the box pressure at 1.2-1.4" wc with the draft
>>> inducer
>>> running, and a total of 3.2" wc with LP gas pressure. The boiler is
>>> clean,
>>> as are the burners, the HSI is glowing - but these things simply won't
>>> fire.
>>> I have tried increasing both air and gas to 3.8-4.0" wc gross without
>>> success. In addition to the hi/lo hoses running to the air proving
>>> switch
>>> from the pressure box, there is a hose running from the box to the inlet
>>> side of the honeywell smart valve - the manual calls it a reference
>>> hose.
>>> If I pull this hose from the barbed fitting on the gas valve, cover the
>>> fitting with my finger, the boiler lights every time. Lochinvar's tech
>>> support does even recognize this particular hose - even though it is
>>> clearly
>>> referenced in their I&O Manual.
>>>
>>> Baffled here.
>>> Graham Campbell
>>
>> If I were you id double check the inlet and outlet gas pressure and the
>> air pressure exactly the way that the I&O Manual suggests.
>>
>
>



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Posted by Power's Mechanical on September 5, 2006, 6:01 pm

Graham Campbell wrote:
> Thanks. Like I said, I set it up per the manual. Lochinvar had people
> there today - they couldn't figure it out. A real confidence builder.
>
> >
> > Graham Campbell wrote:
> >> Has anybody had problems with the Lochinvar Energy Rite 2? I have 2 of
> >> them - one doing pool water and the other one doing the spa water.
> >> Neither
> >> will lite. I have the box pressure at 1.2-1.4" wc with the draft inducer
> >> running, and a total of 3.2" wc with LP gas pressure. The boiler is
> >> clean,
> >> as are the burners, the HSI is glowing - but these things simply won't
> >> fire.
> >> I have tried increasing both air and gas to 3.8-4.0" wc gross without
> >> success. In addition to the hi/lo hoses running to the air proving
> >> switch
> >> from the pressure box, there is a hose running from the box to the inlet
> >> side of the honeywell smart valve - the manual calls it a reference hose.
> >> If I pull this hose from the barbed fitting on the gas valve, cover the
> >> fitting with my finger, the boiler lights every time. Lochinvar's tech
> >> support does even recognize this particular hose - even though it is
> >> clearly
> >> referenced in their I&O Manual.
> >>
> >> Baffled here.
> >> Graham Campbell
> >
> > If I were you id double check the inlet and outlet gas pressure and the
> > air pressure exactly the way that the I&O Manual suggests.
> >
Ive never worked on the pool heater models but from the pdfs they dont
seem much differant than the regular copper fin boilers.

Did you happen to have your U tube on the inlet and outlet side to see
whats happining when the valve gets 24v? The only pressure tube
problem Ive had on Lochinvars was the barbed fitting that goes into the
burner was plugged with what looked like red Loctite. I cleared it and
it fired right up. This tube that goes to the GV from the pressurized
burner box, does it go into the GV vent? What did the rep have to say
and what did they check? Does the GV have a steady voltage and just
wont open or does the voltage drop out. What are the pressures when
its tring to fire?

Its probably something stupid. One time I couldnt get a new Trane RTU
to fire. I spent about an hour taking pressure measurements and
dicking around. Then Im standing there and look over my shoulder and I
see it. The Gas pressure regulator. I checked out the vent and sure
enough it was plugged. Its easy to get wound up on the complex things
and overlook the simple ones.

I dont think its a water side problem as BP suggested. But speaking of
that, do make sure the flow switch works. It wont take long to burn up
the HX with no flow.


Posted by Stormin Mormon on September 6, 2006, 11:05 am
Yes, the simple things are often the ones that get you. In my early
stage of learning, I keep finding simple things wrong with systems.
Maybe years from now, I'll still be finding simple problems?

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


Ive never worked on the pool heater models but from the pdfs they dont
seem much differant than the regular copper fin boilers.

Did you happen to have your U tube on the inlet and outlet side to see
whats happining when the valve gets 24v? The only pressure tube
problem Ive had on Lochinvars was the barbed fitting that goes into
the
burner was plugged with what looked like red Loctite. I cleared it
and
it fired right up. This tube that goes to the GV from the pressurized
burner box, does it go into the GV vent? What did the rep have to
say
and what did they check? Does the GV have a steady voltage and just
wont open or does the voltage drop out. What are the pressures when
its tring to fire?

Its probably something stupid. One time I couldnt get a new Trane RTU
to fire. I spent about an hour taking pressure measurements and
dicking around. Then Im standing there and look over my shoulder and
I
see it. The Gas pressure regulator. I checked out the vent and sure
enough it was plugged. Its easy to get wound up on the complex things
and overlook the simple ones.

I dont think its a water side problem as BP suggested. But speaking
of
that, do make sure the flow switch works. It wont take long to burn
up
the HX with no flow.



Posted by =?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= on September 6, 2006, 9:07 pm
Stormin Mormon posted for all of us...

> Maybe years from now, I'll still be finding simple problems?
>
Yes, but you will still be puzzled... simple mind & all.
--
Tekkie "There's no such thing as a tool I don't need."

Posted by Al Moran on September 6, 2006, 12:31 am
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:29:22 GMT, "Graham Campbell"

>Thanks. Like I said, I set it up per the manual. Lochinvar had people
>there today - they couldn't figure it out. A real confidence builder.


Yep. especially since the Honeywell smart valve is anything but smart.
The Honeywell smart valve is a piece of shit. When the igniter glows
try wiggling the wires on the gas valve. If that doesn't work then
replace the valve, then replace your service company.

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