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Looking for a good A/C installer (Manual J) - Denver Metro bubbabubbs 06-11-2007
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Posted by KLS on June 18, 2007, 1:50 pm
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:00:10 -0500, RT wrote:

>Where I come from, rule of thumb for average constructed homes is 1
>ton/500 sq ft (8ft ceiling). Of course it's not calculated but I bet
>it's close to accurate for the average home where I am.

Wow, that would make for a huge appliance, sounds oversized by quite a
bit. I have a 3 ton York AC for my 2,450 sf house, and it's pretty
good, except that the attic is noticeably warmer than the rest of the
house. Anything larger would be a waste as we don't have proper cold
air returns everywhere we should on the upper floors (built in 1930,
long before central air).

Posted by on June 12, 2007, 10:11 pm
bubbabubbs@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Jun 12, 4:07 pm, vze8f...@verizon.net (v) wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:20:55 -0700, someone wrote:
>> >...Someone who is thorough, will use correct
>> >inputs, and won't cut corners on the formulas.
>>
>> To what end is the need to be that precise? They will just size it to
>> the nearest ton (or maybe half ton) anyway. It's not like it's going
>> to make much difference if it comes out 38,052 btu/hr for the anal
>> retentive guy, or 41,019 btu/hr for the good enough for government
>> work guy.
>
>And what if it's more like borderline - "back of napkin" calc will
>suggest 2-ton, but Manual J suggests 1.5-ton.


there's one tiny facet of information the average homeowner is unaware
of, that being an ac unit Does Not have the same capacity across all
ranges of outdoor temperature. A 2 ton unit might have an output of
24,000 btu at an outdoor temp of 90F, but watch that output plummet
like a rock when the od temp gets above 100.

This is where the manufacturers Engineering Data for each condensing
unit comes into play and the contractors extrapolation of such data
with desgn temps to determine total tonnage required.

The load calc is merely the starting point to apply the engineering
data to. Gee I oversized it & now I gotta worry about mold vs Gee I
undersized it and now the customer complains on hot days that they
just cant get cool enough.

Posted by Tony Hwang on June 13, 2007, 12:19 am
gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
> bubbabubbs@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>>On Jun 12, 4:07 pm, vze8f...@verizon.net (v) wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:20:55 -0700, someone wrote:
>>>
>>>>...Someone who is thorough, will use correct
>>>>inputs, and won't cut corners on the formulas.
>>>
>>>To what end is the need to be that precise? They will just size it to
>>>the nearest ton (or maybe half ton) anyway. It's not like it's going
>>>to make much difference if it comes out 38,052 btu/hr for the anal
>>>retentive guy, or 41,019 btu/hr for the good enough for government
>>>work guy.
>>
>>And what if it's more like borderline - "back of napkin" calc will
>>suggest 2-ton, but Manual J suggests 1.5-ton.
>
>
>
> there's one tiny facet of information the average homeowner is unaware
> of, that being an ac unit Does Not have the same capacity across all
> ranges of outdoor temperature. A 2 ton unit might have an output of
> 24,000 btu at an outdoor temp of 90F, but watch that output plummet
> like a rock when the od temp gets above 100.
>
> This is where the manufacturers Engineering Data for each condensing
> unit comes into play and the contractors extrapolation of such data
> with desgn temps to determine total tonnage required.
>
> The load calc is merely the starting point to apply the engineering
> data to. Gee I oversized it & now I gotta worry about mold vs Gee I
> undersized it and now the customer complains on hot days that they
> just cant get cool enough.
Hmmm,
Experience rules!

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