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Posted by Rod on May 31, 2008, 10:19 pm
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> > I may get flamed again but here goes. =A0I have not gotten on flat rate
> > pricing. =A0I've sat thru several classes that recommend it but every
> > flat rate company I've checked with is just so expensive to get set up
> > with.
> Make your own using Excel.
> > We have grown the past few years from me doing the service work
> > myself and running a 2 man crew for installs, to having a service tech
> > and running 2- 2 man crews. =A0Still a small company but twice as big as=
> > we were 3 or 4 years ago.
> Size doesn't matter, do you want to make things simple and make money?
> > =A0So when I was doing the service myself flat
> > rate didn't seem like a big priority because I wasn't paying a tech
> You're right, you wasn't paying a tech (YOURSELF), that *is* a shame. Don'=
> you think you and your family DESERVE the *extra* benefits from running yo=
> own company? If not, why don't you work for someone else and leave the
> headaches for them to worry about?
> > I was the tech. =A0Now that I'm paying a tech we have gone up on pricing=
> > but have not jumped on the flat rate wagon yet, and I can see the need
> > for it. =A0Our overhead has almost doubled along with the growth of the
> > business and I'm not sure I have it adequately covered in our service
> > fee.
> Most don't.
> > I know exactly what it cost a day to be in business but I'm
> > still unsure I'm charging enough.
> You either know or you don't...
> Or, you are afraid to charge what it takes to make a living and to grow yo=
> business.
> I know that you have already grown, but that doesn't mean that your paying=
> your tech/installers what they should be or that your including benefits.
> Most owners that are not business oriented will take away from their own
> family to help their hired help. <-- sound familiar?
> > The flat rate I believe would fix
> > that problem. =A0What flat rate company do you guys recommend?
> Do you know much about Excel?
<Or, you are afraid to charge what it takes to make a living and to
grow your
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business.>
You hit the nail on the head. I always have a fear of pricing myself
out of the market but I'm getting over it. I'm learning that I can
sit at home on the couch and make nothing, and heck it's a lot
easier. I do know excel very well. You guys have brought out some
great points. It helps to sometimes just hear someone say they are
doing this stuff and it's working for them. It gives the
encouragement to take action and make some changes.
Thanks guys & thanks for not flaming me (or at least not yet)
Rodney
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Posted by KJPRO on June 1, 2008, 2:13 am
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> Thanks guys & thanks for not flaming me (or at least not yet)
Stick around and I'm sure we'll get some more flaming in later... :-)
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Posted by over a barrel on June 1, 2008, 4:39 am
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> I'm learning that I can sit at home on the couch and make nothing
If you're gonna go broke anyways, then two main choices either do it while
sitting on your ass or do it while working your ass off.
( And takes a complete and utter moron to actively persue the latter )
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Posted by Joseph on June 1, 2008, 7:59 pm
The flat rate I believe would fix
that problem. What flat rate company do you guys recommend?
Rodney
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I do not use flat rate, but I have no problem with it. I think you can
make it work with due diligence.
I considered it a while back and decided it was not something I wanted
to do. So for the sake of argument here is an article opposed to flat rate
pricing.
http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbviews/2002/flatrate_revised1.asp
Joseph
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Posted by Noon-Air on June 1, 2008, 10:07 pm
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> The flat rate I believe would fix
> that problem. What flat rate company do you guys recommend?
> Rodney
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> I do not use flat rate, but I have no problem with it. I think you
> can make it work with due diligence.
> I considered it a while back and decided it was not something I wanted
> to do. So for the sake of argument here is an article opposed to flat
> rate pricing.
> http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbviews/2002/flatrate_revised1.asp
> Joseph
Thats fine for turd chasers, but everybody else in the world is flat rate,
except for those who don't know what the cost of running their business is,
or how to price their services to make a profit. Joseph... do you know what
your actual cost (including overhead and labor) is to roll a truck to go to
a service call??
I'll bet its a lot more than your service call fee. How can you absorb those
cost overages?? not gonna happen with T&M... unless you are in an area where
you can charge $200+ just to show up at somebodys door....and even then, you
costs are going to be a lot higher because of the cost of living in that
area.
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> > pricing. =A0I've sat thru several classes that recommend it but every
> > flat rate company I've checked with is just so expensive to get set up
> > with.
> Make your own using Excel.
> > We have grown the past few years from me doing the service work
> > myself and running a 2 man crew for installs, to having a service tech
> > and running 2- 2 man crews. =A0Still a small company but twice as big as=
> > we were 3 or 4 years ago.
> Size doesn't matter, do you want to make things simple and make money?
> > =A0So when I was doing the service myself flat
> > rate didn't seem like a big priority because I wasn't paying a tech
> You're right, you wasn't paying a tech (YOURSELF), that *is* a shame. Don'=
> you think you and your family DESERVE the *extra* benefits from running yo=
> own company? If not, why don't you work for someone else and leave the
> headaches for them to worry about?
> > I was the tech. =A0Now that I'm paying a tech we have gone up on pricing=
> > but have not jumped on the flat rate wagon yet, and I can see the need
> > for it. =A0Our overhead has almost doubled along with the growth of the
> > business and I'm not sure I have it adequately covered in our service
> > fee.
> Most don't.
> > I know exactly what it cost a day to be in business but I'm
> > still unsure I'm charging enough.
> You either know or you don't...
> Or, you are afraid to charge what it takes to make a living and to grow yo=
> business.
> I know that you have already grown, but that doesn't mean that your paying=
> your tech/installers what they should be or that your including benefits.
> Most owners that are not business oriented will take away from their own
> family to help their hired help. <-- sound familiar?
> > The flat rate I believe would fix
> > that problem. =A0What flat rate company do you guys recommend?
> Do you know much about Excel?