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Posted by Home Enviro Health Specialists on June 7, 2007, 8:47 am
Mo Hoaner wrote:
>>> Actually I'm surprised that you believe in technology at all, even in
>>> the respect of HVAC.
>>
>> No, actually, you're the one that believes in imaginary things.
>>
>> I think you better go to an HVAC school before you *think* you know more
>> than we do.
>>
>> Where's that condenser coil mounted again. LMAO
>>
> He actually runs a maid service. Apparently, he'll come to your
house, and suck your bed off. Then he gives it the once over with a
germicidal lamp. He then gives you a bottle of magic spray (that's what
he calls called Anti-Alergen spray) to deal with the leftover bits and
pieces of what he says kilt with the UV-C light.
http://homeenvirohealth.com/homeenvirohealth_005.html
>
> By his own explanation earlier here, the UV-C turns the bad stuff
into dust. So, he should be sucking the bed off after he makes dust out
of all the goodies left on the mattress - if not before and after. Of
course, if he were to read up on the subject, REAL studies done have
shown that most of the mites live deeply in the mattress, so the magic
UV light can't even get to them. Maybe he just uses it like a blacklight
to see who's been doing who......
>
>
> http://www.acaai.org/public/advice/dust.htm
> http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2551.htm
> http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2157.html
>
Your talking about the mattresses now. I as only talking about HVAC
prior. They are two different applications. But again you like to argue
and think you right when you have no idea what your talking about. The
mattress aspect has been on the news and used in Europe for 30 years. Th
UV-C Light will penetrate a mattress deep enough to kill, mold, mildew,
viruses, bacterias, dust mite eggs and it alters the DNA of the dust
mites as in other micro- organisms so that they are unable to reproduce
and eventually will die as well. The vacuum is to extract as much as
possible so the UV-C light is more effective and to rid the areas of as
many dust mites as possible. The spray is produced by a major
corporation that is use as maintenance between cleaning for control. You
might want to read more about a topic before you present such strong
opinions. You might want to read more on my website to learn more about
real studies, since you were so kind enough to point it out. I never
said it turns the bad stuff to dust is will disintegrate them. You
really do need some help.

BELOW ARE THE WEBSITES THAT YOU LISTED ABOVE. BELOW EACH OF THE
WEBSITES IS THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE READ THERE. CAN YOU READ? DO
YOU KNOW HOW TO? YOU JUST KEEP GOING MAKING IGNORANT STATEMENTS AND
CLAIM THAT I NEED TO READ UP ON THE SUBJECT. NOT THE PROBLEM, THE
PROBLEM IS THAT YOU NEED HOW TO READ AND EXPRESS AN OPINION WHEN AND
ONLY WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST BLAH BLAH BLAH
BLAH. FIRST USE YOU BRAIN THEN SPEAK OR TYPE. UNTIL THEN STOP STATING
THINGS ABOUT ME THAT ARE NOT TRUE. I HAVE RESEARCHED AND I CONTINUE TO
DO SO AND I DON'T PASS COMMENTS OR MAKE STATEMENTS UNLESS I AM 100% THAT
I KNOW WITH FACTS ABOUT WHAT I SAY. YOU MIGHT TRY THE SAME.

http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2551.htm <-- Source, the
information provided below have been from this website to educate Mo

HABITS AND HABITATS

Dust mites do not live in air ducts in homes. Many people spend much
time and money cleaning the air ducts to reduce dust mites. This is not
necessary because dust mites need about 70 percent relative humidity or
higher to live, and they need food. Areas where people spend much time,
like a bed or a favorite plush chair, are prime sites for dust mites.
The **** top part of mattresses containing fibrous material is a
favorite place for dust mites during warm and humid times. The ** deeper
parts of mattresses may provide protected areas for the dust mites
during unfavorable conditions. Clothing is used by dust mites as a means
of transportation from room to room or even from house to house.

CONTROL

**** Vacuum often with a vacuum cleaner provided with a high
efficiency purifying air (HEPA) filtration system. Throw away vacuum
bags after use because dust mites can leave the bag.

http://www.acaai.org/public/advice/dust.htm <-- Source, the information
provided below have been from this website to educate Mo


What are dust mites?
Tiny microscopic creatures called dust mites are an important cause of
allergic reactions to house dust. They belong to the family of
eight-legged creatures called arachnids. This family also includes
spiders, chiggers and ticks. Dust mites are hardy creatures that live
well and ** multiply easily in warm, humid places. They prefer
temperatures at or above 70°F with a relative humidity of 75-80 percent
and die when the humidity falls below 40-50 percent. They are rarely
found in dry climates.

As many as ** 10 percent of the general population and *** 90 percent of
people with allergic asthma are sensitive to dust mites. *****Recent
studies in the United States suggest that at least 45 percent of young
people with asthma are allergic to dust mites.

People who are allergic to dust mites react to proteins in the bodies
and feces of the mites. ***** These fecal particles are found in the
highest concentrations in pillows, mattresses, carpeting, and
upholstered furniture. They float into the air when anyone vacuums,
walks on a carpet or disturbs bedding, but settle out of the air once
the disturbance is over. Dust mite-allergic people who inhale these
particles frequently experience allergy symptoms. In fact, a dust mite
allergic patient who sleeps for 8 hours every night spends one third of
his life with his nose in direct contact with a pillow loaded with dust
mite particles!

There may be many as 19,000 dust mites in one gram of dust, but usually
between 100 to 500 mites live in each gram. (A gram is about the weight
of a paper clip.) Each mite produces about 10-20 waste particles per day
and lives for 30 days. Egg-laying females can add 25-30 new mites to the
population during their lifetime.

**** Mites eat particles of skin and dander, so they thrive in places
where there are people. Dust mites don't bite, cannot spread diseases
and usually do not live on people. They are harmful only to people who
become allergic to them. While usual household insecticides have no
effect on dust mites, there are ways to reduce exposure to dust mites in
the home.

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2157.html <-- Source, the
information provided below have been from this website to educate Mo

Sanitation

The application of frequent vacuuming as a dust control measure is more
likely to aggravate allergic asthmatic conditions because ****
conventional vacuums are very "inefficient." Dust collection by
conventional vacuums results in a significant increase in air borne dust
concentrations. Vacuuming is best accomplished by cleaners that entrain
dust into a "liquid medium" such as water (rather than a dust bag),
which reduces the suspension and dissemination of allergenic dust
particles in the air. Some pest control firms sell ***** air purifiers
to eliminate the food source of house dust mites. Air purifiers emit a
low level of ozone (activated oxygen). Ozone attaches to fungus, mold,
and bacteria on skin flakes. Machines sell for around $625 and last up
to 15 years. About the size of a bread box, an area up to 2,500 square
feet is protected. There is no maintenance required other than a
thorough cleaning once every three to four months. The air purifier is
placed near a return for air conditioning or heating system or centrally
located within the home.

Various types of air purifiers can be attached to the central air return
to decrease irritants. Most filters remove 50 to 70 percent of material.
HEPA filters will remove up to 99 percent of the material. Indoor air
quality is very important. (One needs to bring in fresh outside air
rather than recirculating dirty air.) Some filters need to be changed
monthly.

Some feel it is important to focus on decreasing indoor humidity,
especially during the winter period to reduce dust mite populations. One
might forsake humidifier use during winter periods, use of dehumidifiers
during high-humidity periods, or use of central air conditioning.
Effective control of mites would require the maintenance of relative
humidities below 50 percent (mites thrive in humid conditions).


Chemical Control

No pesticides are currently labeled for house dust mites. **** However,
two non-pesticide products, Acarosan and Allergy Control Solution are
available for treatment of house dust mites and their allergens. The
active ingredient of each is benzyl benzoate and tannic acid. Benzoic
acid esters, such as benzyl benzoate, are very effective acaricides in
both laboratory and field evaluations. Health risks appear to be slight
as benzoates are rapidly metabolized in the body to hippuric acid, which
is excreted in the urine. Most acaricidal studies for house dust mite
control have been done in Europe. Before pesticide recommendations are
made in the United States, approval will be needed by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA). For additional information, telephone
1-800-7ASTHMA.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail: jsm@uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
Viruses and Bacterias.
Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for you clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail: jsm@uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
Viruses and Bacterias.
Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for you clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

Posted by dlzc on June 7, 2007, 11:39 am
Dear Home Enviro Health Specialists:

On Jun 7, 5:47 am, Home Enviro Health Specialists
...
> Sanitation
>
> The application of frequent vacuuming as a dust control
> measure is more likely to aggravate allergic asthmatic
> conditions
...
> Some pest control firms sell ***** air purifiers to eliminate
> the food source of house dust mites. Air purifiers emit a
> low level of ozone (activated oxygen).Ozone attaches to
> fungus, mold, and bacteria on skin flakes.

Note: Ozone is very bad for asthmatics, as it is for dust mites. It
is also hard on things like sponge rubber (such as used in
mattresses), causing premature failure. Some rubbers scission (get
sticky) and some crosslink (get harder / brittle).

> Machines sell for around $625 and last up to 15 years.
> About the size of a bread box, an area up to 2,500 square
> feet is protected. There is no maintenance required other
> than a thorough cleaning once every three to four months.
> The air purifier is placed near a return for air conditioning
> or heating system or centrally located within the home.
...
> Some feel it is important to focus on decreasing indoor
> humidity, especially during the winter period to reduce
> dust mite populations. One might forsake humidifier use
> during winter periods, use of dehumidifiers during high-
> humidity periods, or use of central air conditioning.
> Effective control of mites would require the maintenance
> of relative humidities below 50 percent (mites thrive in
> humid conditions).

Humidity control is important in sterilizing organisms with a gas
(such as ozone). You need / want the organisms viable when the gas is
applied, to minimize the amount of gas necessary to get through their
defenses. When sterilizing medical goods with ethylene oxide, the
product to be sterilized is immersed in a warm humid environment for a
period of time, to get the spore coats to open up and the "soft
tissues" exposed. It will be no less important when using ozone.

It might be important to use the "ozone air purifier" on a timer, so
that it only comes on periodically, say when no one (important) is
home.

David A. Smith


Posted by Home Enviro Health Specialists on June 7, 2007, 11:51 am
dlzc wrote:
> Dear Home Enviro Health Specialists:
>
> On Jun 7, 5:47 am, Home Enviro Health Specialists
> ...
>> Sanitation
>>
>> The application of frequent vacuuming as a dust control
>> measure is more likely to aggravate allergic asthmatic
>> conditions
> ...
>> Some pest control firms sell ***** air purifiers to eliminate
>> the food source of house dust mites. Air purifiers emit a
>> low level of ozone (activated oxygen).Ozone attaches to
>> fungus, mold, and bacteria on skin flakes.
>
> Note: Ozone is very bad for asthmatics, as it is for dust mites. It
> is also hard on things like sponge rubber (such as used in
> mattresses), causing premature failure. Some rubbers scission (get
> sticky) and some crosslink (get harder / brittle).
>
>> Machines sell for around $625 and last up to 15 years.
>> About the size of a bread box, an area up to 2,500 square
>> feet is protected. There is no maintenance required other
>> than a thorough cleaning once every three to four months.
>> The air purifier is placed near a return for air conditioning
>> or heating system or centrally located within the home.
> ...
>> Some feel it is important to focus on decreasing indoor
>> humidity, especially during the winter period to reduce
>> dust mite populations. One might forsake humidifier use
>> during winter periods, use of dehumidifiers during high-
>> humidity periods, or use of central air conditioning.
>> Effective control of mites would require the maintenance
>> of relative humidities below 50 percent (mites thrive in
>> humid conditions).
>
> Humidity control is important in sterilizing organisms with a gas
> (such as ozone). You need / want the organisms viable when the gas is
> applied, to minimize the amount of gas necessary to get through their
> defenses. When sterilizing medical goods with ethylene oxide, the
> product to be sterilized is immersed in a warm humid environment for a
> period of time, to get the spore coats to open up and the "soft
> tissues" exposed. It will be no less important when using ozone.
>
> It might be important to use the "ozone air purifier" on a timer, so
> that it only comes on periodically, say when no one (important) is
> home.
>
> David A. Smith
>
How ozone producing lamps are effective is that the saturate a room with
01 Ions. Most pathogens, contain water(H2O) in there structure when
the O1 looks to complete a compound such as H2o, when they connect they
will create H2O2 which is Hydrogen Peroxide, which will all know will
kill germs. Once a room is saturated and all of the germs attached to
the o1 Ions, they are now in the area saturating the air so since there
are no longer any germs to kill to they begin to scrub the air as quick
sand would do if you were to fall in it. There is no friction so they
force particulates in the air (dust, dander and pollen) to the floor
where they can be vacuumed up. The downside to ozone is that is an an
irritant so you must be careful to put the correct application for the
size of the room. Even then they could still irritate some people. The
federal government had set a standard the no ozone producing you can
exceed .05 part per billion and they say it is a safe standard.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail: jsm@uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
Viruses and Bacterias.
Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for you clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

Posted by dlzc on June 7, 2007, 3:26 pm
Dear Home Enviro Health Specialists:

On Jun 7, 8:51 am, Home Enviro Health Specialists
> dlzcwrote:
> > Dear Home Enviro Health Specialists:
>
> > On Jun 7, 5:47 am, Home Enviro Health Specialists
> > ...
> >> Sanitation
>
> >> The application of frequent vacuuming as a dust control
> >> measure is more likely to aggravate allergic asthmatic
> >> conditions
> > ...
> >> Some pest control firms sell ***** air purifiers to
> >> eliminate the food source of house dust mites. Air
> >> purifiers emit a low level of ozone (activated oxygen).
> >> Ozone attaches to fungus, mold, and bacteria on skin
> >> flakes.
>
> > Note: Ozone is very bad for asthmatics, as it is for dust
> > mites. It is also hard on things like sponge rubber (such
> > as used in mattresses), causing premature failure.
> > Some rubbers scission (get sticky) and some crosslink
> > (get harder / brittle).
>
> >> Machines sell for around $625 and last up to 15 years.
> >> About the size of a bread box, an area up to 2,500 square
> >> feet is protected. There is no maintenance required other
> >> than a thorough cleaning once every three to four months.
> >> The air purifier is placed near a return for air conditioning
> >> or heating system or centrally located within the home.
> > ...
> >> Some feel it is important to focus on decreasing indoor
> >> humidity, especially during the winter period to reduce
> >> dust mite populations. One might forsake humidifier use
> >> during winter periods, use of dehumidifiers during high-
> >> humidity periods, or use of central air conditioning.
> >> Effective control of mites would require the maintenance
> >> of relative humidities below 50 percent (mites thrive in
> >> humid conditions).
>
> > Humidity control is important in sterilizing organisms with
> > a gas (such as ozone). You need / want the organisms
> > viable when the gas is applied, to minimize the amount of
> > gas necessary to get through their defenses. When
> > sterilizing medical goods with ethylene oxide, the product
> > to be sterilized is immersed in a warm humid environment
> > for a period of time, to get the spore coats to open up and
> > the "soft tissues" exposed. It will be no less important
> > when using ozone.
>
> > It might be important to use the "ozone air purifier" on a
> > timer, so that it only comes on periodically, say when no
> > one (important) is home.
>
> How ozone producing lamps are effective is that the saturate
> a room with 01 Ions.

No. Ozone and NOx are the semi-stable forms that can be verified to
be present in a room. The half-life of ions in air is such that they
do not survive exiting the $600 "electric room deodorizer".

> Most pathogens, contain water(H2O) in there structure

Organisms contain water in their structure. Unfortunately, the tiny
amounts produced by a $600 room deodorizer will be entirely
ineffective against an organism this is not transpiring... something
that it does when conditions are favorable for growth. Your best hope
is to have some humidity present in the air when ozone is being
applied.

> when the O1 looks to complete a compound such as
> H2o, when they connect they will create H2O2 which is
> Hydrogen Peroxide, which will all know will kill germs.

... as does ozone. Organisms have methods to protect themselves from
H2O2, of limited scope and duration... but protection nevertheless.

> Once a room is saturated and all of the germs attached
> to the o1 Ions,

Wrong. The "ions" find the organisms (and other targets).

> they are now in the area saturating the air so since
> there are no longer any germs to kill to they begin to
> scrub the air as quick sand would do if you were to
> fall in it.

Electric room air deodorizers do not have tractor beams. They are not
capable of lofting organisms into the air so that they can be
selectively captured. Or captured and dropped.

> There is no friction so they force particulates in the
> air (dust, dander and pollen) to the floor where they
> can be vacuumed up.

The organisms did not change position due to the effect of oxidizers.

> The downside to ozone is that is an an irritant so
> you must be careful to put the correct application
> for the size of the room. Even then they could still
> irritate some people.

Some *posts* irritate me.

> The federal government had set a standard the no
> ozone producing you can exceed .05 part per billion
> and they say it is a safe standard.

For now.

How they will apply this limit to the ozone produced by white blood
cells in fighting infection remains to be seen.

David A. Smith


Posted by Home Enviro Health Specialists on June 7, 2007, 3:31 pm
dlzc wrote:
> Dear Home Enviro Health Specialists:
>
> On Jun 7, 8:51 am, Home Enviro Health Specialists
>> dlzcwrote:
>>> Dear Home Enviro Health Specialists:
>>> On Jun 7, 5:47 am, Home Enviro Health Specialists
>>> ...
>>>> Sanitation
>>>> The application of frequent vacuuming as a dust control
>>>> measure is more likely to aggravate allergic asthmatic
>>>> conditions
>>> ...
>>>> Some pest control firms sell ***** air purifiers to
>>>> eliminate the food source of house dust mites. Air
>>>> purifiers emit a low level of ozone (activated oxygen).
>>>> Ozone attaches to fungus, mold, and bacteria on skin
>>>> flakes.
>>> Note: Ozone is very bad for asthmatics, as it is for dust
>>> mites. It is also hard on things like sponge rubber (such
>>> as used in mattresses), causing premature failure.
>>> Some rubbers scission (get sticky) and some crosslink
>>> (get harder / brittle).
>>>> Machines sell for around $625 and last up to 15 years.
>>>> About the size of a bread box, an area up to 2,500 square
>>>> feet is protected. There is no maintenance required other
>>>> than a thorough cleaning once every three to four months.
>>>> The air purifier is placed near a return for air conditioning
>>>> or heating system or centrally located within the home.
>>> ...
>>>> Some feel it is important to focus on decreasing indoor
>>>> humidity, especially during the winter period to reduce
>>>> dust mite populations. One might forsake humidifier use
>>>> during winter periods, use of dehumidifiers during high-
>>>> humidity periods, or use of central air conditioning.
>>>> Effective control of mites would require the maintenance
>>>> of relative humidities below 50 percent (mites thrive in
>>>> humid conditions).
>>> Humidity control is important in sterilizing organisms with
>>> a gas (such as ozone). You need / want the organisms
>>> viable when the gas is applied, to minimize the amount of
>>> gas necessary to get through their defenses. When
>>> sterilizing medical goods with ethylene oxide, the product
>>> to be sterilized is immersed in a warm humid environment
>>> for a period of time, to get the spore coats to open up and
>>> the "soft tissues" exposed. It will be no less important
>>> when using ozone.
>>> It might be important to use the "ozone air purifier" on a
>>> timer, so that it only comes on periodically, say when no
>>> one (important) is home.
>> How ozone producing lamps are effective is that the saturate
>> a room with 01 Ions.
>
> No. Ozone and NOx are the semi-stable forms that can be verified to
> be present in a room. The half-life of ions in air is such that they
> do not survive exiting the $600 "electric room deodorizer".
>
>> Most pathogens, contain water(H2O) in there structure
>
> Organisms contain water in their structure. Unfortunately, the tiny
> amounts produced by a $600 room deodorizer will be entirely
> ineffective against an organism this is not transpiring... something
> that it does when conditions are favorable for growth. Your best hope
> is to have some humidity present in the air when ozone is being
> applied.
>
>> when the O1 looks to complete a compound such as
>> H2o, when they connect they will create H2O2 which is
>> Hydrogen Peroxide, which will all know will kill germs.
>
> ... as does ozone. Organisms have methods to protect themselves from
> H2O2, of limited scope and duration... but protection nevertheless.
>
>> Once a room is saturated and all of the germs attached
>> to the o1 Ions,
>
> Wrong. The "ions" find the organisms (and other targets).
>
>> they are now in the area saturating the air so since
>> there are no longer any germs to kill to they begin to
>> scrub the air as quick sand would do if you were to
>> fall in it.
>
> Electric room air deodorizers do not have tractor beams. They are not
> capable of lofting organisms into the air so that they can be
> selectively captured. Or captured and dropped.
>
>> There is no friction so they force particulates in the
>> air (dust, dander and pollen) to the floor where they
>> can be vacuumed up.
>
> The organisms did not change position due to the effect of oxidizers.
>
>> The downside to ozone is that is an an irritant so
>> you must be careful to put the correct application
>> for the size of the room. Even then they could still
>> irritate some people.
>
> Some *posts* irritate me.
>
>> The federal government had set a standard the no
>> ozone producing you can exceed .05 part per billion
>> and they say it is a safe standard.
>
> For now.
>
> How they will apply this limit to the ozone produced by white blood
> cells in fighting infection remains to be seen.
>
> David A. Smith
>
Dave educate me I have no idea what your talking about.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail: jsm@uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
Viruses and Bacterias.
Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for you clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

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