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Moisture and Carbon Monoxide <kjpro 05-20-2007
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Posted by on May 20, 2007, 7:36 pm
For the guys that *think* moisture can't migrate into an air conditioning
system unless the system operates under a vacuum.

Do you think an induced draft furnace 'with a cracked heat exchanger' can
introduce CO in your airstream?

As per your thinking, the supply ducting is under positive pressure, the
heat exchangers are under a slight vacuum. It should be transferring indoor
air to the exhaust airstream. So how the hell does CO enter into the indoor
airstream?

Please explain why one is different than the other.



Posted by Noon-Air on May 20, 2007, 9:38 pm

> For the guys that *think* moisture can't migrate into an air conditioning
> system unless the system operates under a vacuum.
> Do you think an induced draft furnace 'with a cracked heat exchanger' can
> introduce CO in your airstream?
> As per your thinking, the supply ducting is under positive pressure, the
> heat exchangers are under a slight vacuum. It should be transferring
> indoor
> air to the exhaust airstream. So how the hell does CO enter into the
> indoor
> airstream?
> Please explain why one is different than the other.

Real simple, furnaces only have a Delta P of an inch or 2 of WATER COLUMN,
not over 50 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH(LPCO setting) or higher.

FWIW, the furnaces I have found with compromised HX, have symptoms of blown
out pilots, tripped roll out switches, and carboned up fire boxes, not CO in
the airstream.

Like I said in the other thread... SHOW ME where moisture at ambient
pressure can get into a refrigerant system that has a minimum SP of 50PSI,
with just a very small leak(a couple of ounces per year)...



Posted by on May 20, 2007, 10:28 pm

> > For the guys that *think* moisture can't migrate into an air
conditioning
> > system unless the system operates under a vacuum.
> > Do you think an induced draft furnace 'with a cracked heat exchanger'
can
> > introduce CO in your airstream?
> > As per your thinking, the supply ducting is under positive pressure, the
> > heat exchangers are under a slight vacuum. It should be transferring
> > indoor
> > air to the exhaust airstream. So how the hell does CO enter into the
> > indoor
> > airstream?
> > Please explain why one is different than the other.
> Real simple, furnaces only have a Delta P of an inch or 2 of WATER COLUMN,
> not over 50 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH(LPCO setting) or higher.


The pressure is *still* higher. So the end result is the same no matter how
you slice it.


> FWIW, the furnaces I have found with compromised HX, have symptoms of
blown
> out pilots, tripped roll out switches, and carboned up fire boxes, not CO
in
> the airstream.


So, are you saying it isn't happening?


> Like I said in the other thread... SHOW ME where moisture at ambient
> pressure can get into a refrigerant system that has a minimum SP of 50PSI,
> with just a very small leak(a couple of ounces per year)...


The 50 PSI is irrelevent, venturi effect doesn't care what pressure you're
dealing with. The POE oil is going to suck up the moisture like a sponge.

Ever used a nitrogen sludge-sucker?




Posted by on May 20, 2007, 10:54 pm

>> > For the guys that *think* moisture can't migrate into an air
>conditioning
>> > system unless the system operates under a vacuum.
>> > Do you think an induced draft furnace 'with a cracked heat exchanger'
>can
>> > introduce CO in your airstream?
>> > As per your thinking, the supply ducting is under positive pressure, the
>> > heat exchangers are under a slight vacuum. It should be transferring
>> > indoor
>> > air to the exhaust airstream. So how the hell does CO enter into the
>> > indoor
>> > airstream?
>> > Please explain why one is different than the other.
>> Real simple, furnaces only have a Delta P of an inch or 2 of WATER COLUMN,
>> not over 50 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH(LPCO setting) or higher.
>The pressure is *still* higher. So the end result is the same no matter how
>you slice it.
>> FWIW, the furnaces I have found with compromised HX, have symptoms of
>blown
>> out pilots, tripped roll out switches, and carboned up fire boxes, not CO
>in
>> the airstream.
>So, are you saying it isn't happening?
>> Like I said in the other thread... SHOW ME where moisture at ambient
>> pressure can get into a refrigerant system that has a minimum SP of 50PSI,
>> with just a very small leak(a couple of ounces per year)...
>The 50 PSI is irrelevent, venturi effect doesn't care what pressure you're
>dealing with. The POE oil is going to suck up the moisture like a sponge.
>Ever used a nitrogen sludge-sucker?

sounds like a bottom feeding fish in Lake Michigan......

Posted by on May 20, 2007, 11:53 pm

> >> > For the guys that *think* moisture can't migrate into an air
> >conditioning
> >> > system unless the system operates under a vacuum.
> >> > Do you think an induced draft furnace 'with a cracked heat exchanger'
> >can
> >> > introduce CO in your airstream?
> >> > As per your thinking, the supply ducting is under positive pressure,
the
> >> > heat exchangers are under a slight vacuum. It should be transferring
> >> > indoor
> >> > air to the exhaust airstream. So how the hell does CO enter into the
> >> > indoor
> >> > airstream?
> >> > Please explain why one is different than the other.
> >> Real simple, furnaces only have a Delta P of an inch or 2 of WATER
COLUMN,
> >> not over 50 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH(LPCO setting) or higher.
> >The pressure is *still* higher. So the end result is the same no matter
how
> >you slice it.
> >> FWIW, the furnaces I have found with compromised HX, have symptoms of
> >blown
> >> out pilots, tripped roll out switches, and carboned up fire boxes, not
CO
> >in
> >> the airstream.
> >So, are you saying it isn't happening?
> >> Like I said in the other thread... SHOW ME where moisture at ambient
> >> pressure can get into a refrigerant system that has a minimum SP of
50PSI,
> >> with just a very small leak(a couple of ounces per year)...
> >The 50 PSI is irrelevent, venturi effect doesn't care what pressure
you're
> >dealing with. The POE oil is going to suck up the moisture like a sponge.
> >Ever used a nitrogen sludge-sucker?
> sounds like a bottom feeding fish in Lake Michigan......


I believe that's what carp are for or is it the catfish and bullheads?




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