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Motor wiring Gary E 10-19-2006
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Posted by Gary E on October 20, 2006, 9:43 pm

> >
> Gary, are you really a tech? IF you are, the only thing I agree on is why
> are you not still in school, at least for basic HVAC electric.

I didn't post this to get into a pissing contest but to hear some ideas
either for or against what I stated.
When looking at a PSC motor there is Common, Start & Run.
It doesn't matter if it's a wire sticking out of the motor or a terminal.
Obviously any more explanation to you would be futile.
Just because you can't grasp that concept doesn't change what is fact.
To answer your question, Yes.

Gary



Posted by Noon-Air on October 20, 2006, 10:17 pm

>
>> >
>> Gary, are you really a tech? IF you are, the only thing I agree on is
>> why
>> are you not still in school, at least for basic HVAC electric.
>
> I didn't post this to get into a pissing contest but to hear some ideas
> either for or against what I stated.
> When looking at a PSC motor there is Common, Start & Run.
> It doesn't matter if it's a wire sticking out of the motor or a terminal.
> Obviously any more explanation to you would be futile.
> Just because you can't grasp that concept doesn't change what is fact.
> To answer your question, Yes.
>
> Gary

Gary,
I think you either missed, or left out a lot of details.... It doesn't make
a rats ass what colors the wires are...
Different types and manufacturers motors have different colors of wires,
especially if you throw different voltages and 3 phase motors in the mix.
Now... if you had a *white* wire that was labeled as "common", then I would
venture to say that it was probably a 120v motor. I can't ever recall seeing
a 120v condenser fan motor except on a window shaker.
On *most* 240v single phase motors that I have worked with, they are labled
as L1, L2 or simply "Line", then the capacitor and ground wires. They do not
normally have a "common" wire.
FWIW, The 240v PSC condenser fan motors that I install on a regular basis
have Orange, Purple, Brown, Black, and Red wires(no white wire). The ones I
routinely replace have Red, Black, and Brown wires(no white wire here
either).



Posted by Gary E on October 21, 2006, 12:04 am
I tried to be clear but I may have left out some details.
It was a Fasco 208/230 single speed condenser motor & I have rarely used
them through the years so I needed to look at the diagram
to be sure. The thing that got me was it actually showed the white wire as
common on the diagram on the motor.
It was a 4 wire motor that I was using on a 3 wire application, black,
white, two browns( one with a white tracer).
I ohmed out the brown with the white tracer to make sure what lead it was
tied to. It was the white as you would figure.
It just kind of bugged me that the white was labeled common & thats why I
posted here.
As far as I know all the motors that have two capacitor wires stubbed out,
one of those wires (usually striped ) is junctioned to the run winding.
Some diagrams will show capping one of those wires for a 3 wire application.

> Gary,
> I think you either missed, or left out a lot of details.... It doesn't
make
> a rats ass what colors the wires are...
> Different types and manufacturers motors have different colors of wires,
> especially if you throw different voltages and 3 phase motors in the mix.
> Now... if you had a *white* wire that was labeled as "common", then I
would
> venture to say that it was probably a 120v motor. I can't ever recall
seeing
> a 120v condenser fan motor except on a window shaker.
> On *most* 240v single phase motors that I have worked with, they are
labled
> as L1, L2 or simply "Line", then the capacitor and ground wires. They do
not
> normally have a "common" wire.
> FWIW, The 240v PSC condenser fan motors that I install on a regular basis
> have Orange, Purple, Brown, Black, and Red wires(no white wire). The ones
I
> routinely replace have Red, Black, and Brown wires(no white wire here

Actually your motor would make a good example.
I use some with the same color code for my 825 RPM applications.(Mars/GE)
purple & brown go to the capacitor , orange is common & red & black are hi &
lo speed or hp.
3 wire just cap the purple & tie the orange to the cap.
My point is if the Orange ties to the cap then it is not really common but
run & the whatever speed is used is really common.
I never remember seeing a common written on the diagram of a 240 v. motor
either but I did the other day.
I've always called it common but technically I think I've been wrong.

Gary



Posted by shinesapp@hotmail.com on October 21, 2006, 7:19 am
I HOPE HI BOSS DOESNT READ IN HERE I THINK HE BETER SNEAK BACK OVER
THERE AND TAKE OUT THAT 115V MOTOR HE PUT 23OV TO I WONDER IF HE
NOTICED IT WAS RUNNING ALITTILE FAST KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU HOOK UP YOUR
VAC PUMP TO 480V SYSTEM

> I tried to be clear but I may have left out some details.
> It was a Fasco 208/230 single speed condenser motor & I have rarely used
> them through the years so I needed to look at the diagram
> to be sure. The thing that got me was it actually showed the white wire as
> common on the diagram on the motor.
> It was a 4 wire motor that I was using on a 3 wire application, black,
> white, two browns( one with a white tracer).
> I ohmed out the brown with the white tracer to make sure what lead it was
> tied to. It was the white as you would figure.
> It just kind of bugged me that the white was labeled common & thats why I
> posted here.
> As far as I know all the motors that have two capacitor wires stubbed out,
> one of those wires (usually striped ) is junctioned to the run winding.
> Some diagrams will show capping one of those wires for a 3 wire application.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Gary,
> > I think you either missed, or left out a lot of details.... It doesn't
> make
> > a rats ass what colors the wires are...
> > Different types and manufacturers motors have different colors of wires,
> > especially if you throw different voltages and 3 phase motors in the mix.
> > Now... if you had a *white* wire that was labeled as "common", then I
> would
> > venture to say that it was probably a 120v motor. I can't ever recall
> seeing
> > a 120v condenser fan motor except on a window shaker.
> > On *most* 240v single phase motors that I have worked with, they are
> labled
> > as L1, L2 or simply "Line", then the capacitor and ground wires. They do
> not
> > normally have a "common" wire.
> > FWIW, The 240v PSC condenser fan motors that I install on a regular basis
> > have Orange, Purple, Brown, Black, and Red wires(no white wire). The ones
> I
> > routinely replace have Red, Black, and Brown wires(no white wire
hereActually your motor would make a good example.
> I use some with the same color code for my 825 RPM applications.(Mars/GE)
> purple & brown go to the capacitor , orange is common & red & black are hi &
> lo speed or hp.
> 3 wire just cap the purple & tie the orange to the cap.
> My point is if the Orange ties to the cap then it is not really common but
> run & the whatever speed is used is really common.
> I never remember seeing a common written on the diagram of a 240 v. motor
> either but I did the other day.
> I've always called it common but technically I think I've been wrong.
>
> Gary- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -


Posted by Gary E on October 20, 2006, 9:43 pm
To answer your question Bob which is more than you did to mine, Yes.





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