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Posted by noonehere on July 5, 2007, 10:35 am
I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
savings).
Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
upgrades, or add ons.
Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A? Has anyone heard
about problems with R410A? And will R22 be available for the
foreseeable future?
Thanks.
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Posted by Noon-Air on July 5, 2007, 11:53 am
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>I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
> Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> savings).
Its not about what "he" thinks, its about what *YOU* think. What are your
expectations?? do you have other issues that need to be addressed?? Got hot
or cold rooms?? noise issues?? indoor air quality issues?? Did he tell you
about the federal income tax credit for 15SEER or above systems??
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> Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
> 2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
> The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
> from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
Price should not be the primary factor, and yes *EVERYTHING* is a lot higher
priced than it used to be... even what it was just a couple of months ago.
The deciding factors should be top quality installation, of top quality
equipment, by a *competent*, licensed, insured, professionally trained,
master hvac technician.
Those prices he quoted you are quite low, and then take a grand off that?? I
would ask for pics and/or referals(names and contact numbers) of some of his
customers where he has installed new systems over the last several years.
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> He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
> get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
> problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
Sounds like your "tech" needs to get some more training.
There have been a lot of discussions on here about R22/R410a. Here is a link
to the EPA HCFC Phaseout schedule;
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
FWIW, I have not even offered R-22 systems for the last year. There is no
point and it would be a gross dis-service to my customers. Rheem/RUUD will
stop manufacturing all R-22 systems in December this year.
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> The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
> upgrades, or add ons.
I would get a couple of other quotes
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> Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
nope... see above
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> What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A?
He needs to get with the program.
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> Has anyone heard about problems with R410A?
I have only had a problem with 1 of the many R-410a systems I have
installed. It had a leaky evap coil.
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> And will R22 be available for the foreseeable future?
No.... see the EPA phase-out schedule..... and what little there might be
left, will command a premium price.
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> Thanks.
>
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Posted by Bill on July 5, 2007, 12:30 pm
> The deciding factors should be top quality installation, of top quality
> equipment, by a *competent*, licensed, insured, professionally trained,
> master hvac technician.
Leaves you out noonie. The more you post the better we see what a
shyster you are.
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> Those prices he quoted you are quite low, and then take a grand off that??
You aren't getting the job. Why are you blowing smoke up his ass?
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> Sounds like your "tech" needs to get some more training.
You haven't a clue noonie. The new refrigerants all have a major issue.
The POE oil.
The industry knows it and they are looking for alternatives. If you did
something besides pull info out of your crack you would know something
about it.
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> I would get a couple of other quotes
Who you? lol
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> > Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
>
> nope... see above
You sell new systems for a bad TXV. I'm sure he'd value your advice.
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> > What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A?
>
> He needs to get with the program.
You need to shut the FU. He's stone cold correct.
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> > Has anyone heard about problems with R410A?
>
> I have only had a problem with 1 of the many R-410a systems I have
> installed. It had a leaky evap coil.
Many noonie? lol
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> > And will R22 be available for the foreseeable future?
>
> No.... see the EPA phase-out schedule..... and what little there might be
> left, will command a premium price.
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/22phaseout.html
Yes. 2020. 2010 for new equipment. noonie just why do you post the
dribble you post? Trolling for customers or fine tuning your line of
bullshit?
You're a mediocre to average residential air conditioning tech with
substandard business skills and delusions of grandeur.
You and stormy are very similar. But at least he doesn't pretend to be
the expert.
--
http://michellemalkin.com/
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Posted by noonehere on July 5, 2007, 12:32 pm
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> >I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
> > Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> > Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> > Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> > feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> > savings).
> Its not about what "he" thinks, its about what *YOU* think. What are your
> expectations?? do you have other issues that need to be addressed?? Got hot
> or cold rooms?? noise issues?? indoor air quality issues?? Did he tell you
> about the federal income tax credit for 15SEER or above systems??
> > Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
> > 2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
> > The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
> > from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
> Price should not be the primary factor, and yes *EVERYTHING* is a lot higher
> priced than it used to be... even what it was just a couple of months ago.
> The deciding factors should be top quality installation, of top quality
> equipment, by a *competent*, licensed, insured, professionally trained,
> master hvac technician.
> Those prices he quoted you are quite low, and then take a grand off that?? I
> would ask for pics and/or referals(names and contact numbers) of some of his
> customers where he has installed new systems over the last several years.
> > He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
> > get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
> > problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
> Sounds like your "tech" needs to get some more training.
> There have been a lot of discussions on here about R22/R410a. Here is a link
> to the EPA HCFC Phaseout
schedule;http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
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> FWIW, I have not even offered R-22 systems for the last year. There is no
> point and it would be a gross dis-service to my customers. Rheem/RUUD will
> stop manufacturing all R-22 systems in December this year.
> > The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
> > upgrades, or add ons.
> I would get a couple of other quotes
> > Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
> nope... see above
> > What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A?
> He needs to get with the program.
> > Has anyone heard about problems with R410A?
> I have only had a problem with 1 of the many R-410a systems I have
> installed. It had a leaky evap coil.
> > And will R22 be available for the foreseeable future?
> No.... see the EPA phase-out schedule..... and what little there might be
> left, will command a premium price.
> > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Well, I don't have a lot of issues with my old 22+ year system. The
bonus room over the garage tends to be a little warm in the summer and
cool in the winter, but not too bad. It's just I think I got enough
life out of them, and one of the A/Cs is getting cranky over the last
week.
So I know with even a 13 Seer, I'll should see significant improvement
in both cooling and heating efficiency. It didn't seem to be worth
spending the extra $1565 per unit to go with 15 Seer (and the
adverised 9% efficiency improvement over 13 Seer). I had intended in
going with R410A, but he seemed to downplay it. But maybe the extra
$343/unit is worth it.
Maybe he was just tryning to keep the prices lower. I already knew
about the $300 tax credit, but with a $3130 price differential, it
didn't seem worth it.
Coolray has been around metro Atlanta for a while, and I've heard good
things about them. The $1000 off was Coolray and Atlanta Gas Light
rebates (I think). But I'll talk to a few more before I take the
leap. I'm getting another Trane installer here today, and an American
Standard (same as Trane???) tomorrow.
Thanks for your input!!!
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Posted by <kjpro on July 5, 2007, 12:52 pm
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> > >I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
> > > Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> > > Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> > > Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> > > feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> > > savings).
> > Its not about what "he" thinks, its about what *YOU* think. What are
your
show/hide quoted text
> > expectations?? do you have other issues that need to be addressed?? Got
hot
show/hide quoted text
> > or cold rooms?? noise issues?? indoor air quality issues?? Did he tell
you
show/hide quoted text
> > about the federal income tax credit for 15SEER or above systems??
> > > Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
> > > 2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
> > > The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
> > > from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
> > Price should not be the primary factor, and yes *EVERYTHING* is a lot
higher
show/hide quoted text
> > priced than it used to be... even what it was just a couple of months
ago.
show/hide quoted text
> > The deciding factors should be top quality installation, of top quality
> > equipment, by a *competent*, licensed, insured, professionally trained,
> > master hvac technician.
> > Those prices he quoted you are quite low, and then take a grand off
that?? I
show/hide quoted text
> > would ask for pics and/or referals(names and contact numbers) of some of
his
show/hide quoted text
> > customers where he has installed new systems over the last several
years.
show/hide quoted text
> > > He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
> > > get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
> > > problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
> > Sounds like your "tech" needs to get some more training.
> > There have been a lot of discussions on here about R22/R410a. Here is a
link
show/hide quoted text
> > to the EPA HCFC Phaseout
schedule;http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
show/hide quoted text
> > FWIW, I have not even offered R-22 systems for the last year. There is
> > point and it would be a gross dis-service to my customers. Rheem/RUUD
will
show/hide quoted text
> > stop manufacturing all R-22 systems in December this year.
> > > The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
> > > upgrades, or add ons.
> > I would get a couple of other quotes
> > > Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
> > nope... see above
> > > What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A?
> > He needs to get with the program.
> > > Has anyone heard about problems with R410A?
> > I have only had a problem with 1 of the many R-410a systems I have
> > installed. It had a leaky evap coil.
> > > And will R22 be available for the foreseeable future?
> > No.... see the EPA phase-out schedule..... and what little there might
> > left, will command a premium price.
> > > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Well, I don't have a lot of issues with my old 22+ year system. The
> bonus room over the garage tends to be a little warm in the summer and
> cool in the winter, but not too bad. It's just I think I got enough
> life out of them, and one of the A/Cs is getting cranky over the last
> week.
> So I know with even a 13 Seer, I'll should see significant improvement
> in both cooling and heating efficiency. It didn't seem to be worth
> spending the extra $1565 per unit to go with 15 Seer (and the
> adverised 9% efficiency improvement over 13 Seer). I had intended in
> going with R410A, but he seemed to downplay it. But maybe the extra
> $343/unit is worth it.
> Maybe he was just tryning to keep the prices lower. I already knew
> about the $300 tax credit, but with a $3130 price differential, it
> didn't seem worth it.
> Coolray has been around metro Atlanta for a while, and I've heard good
> things about them. The $1000 off was Coolray and Atlanta Gas Light
> rebates (I think). But I'll talk to a few more before I take the
> leap. I'm getting another Trane installer here today, and an American
> Standard (same as Trane???) tomorrow.
Yes, they are the same.
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> Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> savings).