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Need recommendation about new Trane system for Atlanta area. noonehere 07-05-2007
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Posted by on July 5, 2007, 12:52 pm

> I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
> Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> savings).
>
> Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
> 2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
>
> The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
> from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
>
> He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
> get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
> problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.


Sound all well and good, till this last paragraph.

As I'm not a fan of R410/POE oil, I have heard of no problems with the
higher running head pressure.



Posted by Bubba on July 5, 2007, 3:48 pm
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:35:43 -0700, noonehere@mail.com wrote:

>I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
>Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
>Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
>Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
>feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
>savings).
>
>Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
>2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
>
>The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
>from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
>
>He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
>get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
>problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
>
>The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
>upgrades, or add ons.
>
>Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
>
>What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A? Has anyone heard
>about problems with R410A? And will R22 be available for the
>foreseeable future?
>
>Thanks.

As far as zoning.........Im not totally thrilled with it. You already
have 2 separate systems yet you still need zoning? You might need to
address ductwork issues. Just my deal.....zoning is more parts to stop
working. It works when done right but then, so do properly installed
complete systems.
Price? I dunno. Your best bet is to get 3 quotes from know reputable
companies and dont be so hung up on the Trane brand. There are others.
Unfortunately, I feel the best choice is to go to R-410a. I dont
particularly like it but if R-22 disappears (like R-12 did) it will
become scarce and expensive. Right now, R-410a seems to be the only
"dumb" choice. :-)
Id also make sure my indoor coil was a TXV metering device.
I think matching a variable speed air handler with a 13 SEER unit in
the Atlanta area isnt the best of choice. You dont necessarily need 19
SEER or something but 13 is the bottom of the line. Also, when I last
checked my pricing, American Standard R-22 and R410a systems were the
same price (within a couple bucks).
Get another quote.
Bubba

Posted by on July 5, 2007, 4:06 pm
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:35:43 -0700, nooneh...@mail.com wrote:
> >I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
> >Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> >Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> >Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> >feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> >savings).
>
> >Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
> >2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
>
> >The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
> >from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
>
> >He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
> >get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
> >problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
>
> >The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
> >upgrades, or add ons.
>
> >Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
>
> >What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A? Has anyone heard
> >about problems with R410A? And will R22 be available for the
> >foreseeable future?
>
> >Thanks.
>
> As far as zoning.........Im not totally thrilled with it. You already
> have 2 separate systems yet you still need zoning? You might need to
> address ductwork issues. Just my deal.....zoning is more parts to stop
> working. It works when done right but then, so do properly installed
> complete systems.
> Price? I dunno. Your best bet is to get 3 quotes from know reputable
> companies and dont be so hung up on the Trane brand. There are others.
> Unfortunately, I feel the best choice is to go to R-410a. I dont
> particularly like it but if R-22 disappears (like R-12 did) it will
> become scarce and expensive. Right now, R-410a seems to be the only
> "dumb" choice. :-)
> Id also make sure my indoor coil was a TXV metering device.
> I think matching a variable speed air handler with a 13 SEER unit in
> the Atlanta area isnt the best of choice. You dont necessarily need 19
> SEER or something but 13 is the bottom of the line. Also, when I last
> checked my pricing, American Standard R-22 and R410a systems were the
> same price (within a couple bucks).
> Get another quote.
> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

When I referred to "zone", I meant the "upstairs" and "downstairs"
zones. I have two A/C units outside with 2 furnaces in the attic
(I'm on a slab). Sorry if I used the wrong terminology.

I just got a second quote for the same systems, and it was $5080 and
$4480 before any rebates.

Interesting that you bring up "zoning" - He also recommends going to a
single Amana 16 Seer/96% efficiency 4 ton system, with zoning - but I
don't like the idea of that additional mechanics in the ductwork. It
would be $8072 ($6672 plus $1400 for the zoning work).

And he told me if I stayed with Trane and R22, I could use the same
lineset I have. The other guy said I needed a new one going up the
side of the house (that would look ugly). And the first guy charges
$343 per system for R410 (the second guy says about $100). As far as
R22 disappearing, if I go with a maintenance contract, wouldn't that
be Coolray's problem (or whoever I choose)?

Well, one more quote tomorrow for American Standard. That guy says it
is the same as Trane, but in Atlanta all Trane parts are distributed
by Home Depot, and he says they are a PITA. He handles American
Standard so he doesn't have to deal with HD.

Thanks.


Posted by on July 5, 2007, 7:48 pm

> > On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:35:43 -0700, nooneh...@mail.com wrote:
> > >I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
> > >Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
> > >Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
> > >Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
> > >feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
> > >savings).
> >
> > >Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
> > >2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
> >
> > >The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
> > >from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
> >
> > >He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
> > >get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
> > >problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
> >
> > >The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
> > >upgrades, or add ons.
> >
> > >Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
> >
> > >What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A? Has anyone heard
> > >about problems with R410A? And will R22 be available for the
> > >foreseeable future?
> >
> > >Thanks.
> >
> > As far as zoning.........Im not totally thrilled with it. You already
> > have 2 separate systems yet you still need zoning? You might need to
> > address ductwork issues. Just my deal.....zoning is more parts to stop
> > working. It works when done right but then, so do properly installed
> > complete systems.
> > Price? I dunno. Your best bet is to get 3 quotes from know reputable
> > companies and dont be so hung up on the Trane brand. There are others.
> > Unfortunately, I feel the best choice is to go to R-410a. I dont
> > particularly like it but if R-22 disappears (like R-12 did) it will
> > become scarce and expensive. Right now, R-410a seems to be the only
> > "dumb" choice. :-)
> > Id also make sure my indoor coil was a TXV metering device.
> > I think matching a variable speed air handler with a 13 SEER unit in
> > the Atlanta area isnt the best of choice. You dont necessarily need 19
> > SEER or something but 13 is the bottom of the line. Also, when I last
> > checked my pricing, American Standard R-22 and R410a systems were the
> > same price (within a couple bucks).


The guy obviously doesn't what to install the 410 units... that is the
reasoning for the extra cost.


> > Get another quote.
> > Bubba- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> When I referred to "zone", I meant the "upstairs" and "downstairs"
> zones. I have two A/C units outside with 2 furnaces in the attic
> (I'm on a slab). Sorry if I used the wrong terminology.
>
> I just got a second quote for the same systems, and it was $5080 and
> $4480 before any rebates.


Cheaper isn't always BEST.


> Interesting that you bring up "zoning" - He also recommends going to a
> single Amana 16 Seer/96% efficiency 4 ton system, with zoning - but I
> don't like the idea of that additional mechanics in the ductwork. It
> would be $8072 ($6672 plus $1400 for the zoning work).
>
> And he told me if I stayed with Trane and R22, I could use the same
> lineset I have. The other guy said I needed a new one going up the
> side of the house (that would look ugly). And the first guy charges
> $343 per system for R410 (the second guy says about $100). As far as
> R22 disappearing, if I go with a maintenance contract, wouldn't that
> be Coolray's problem (or whoever I choose)?
>
> Well, one more quote tomorrow for American Standard. That guy says it
> is the same as Trane, but in Atlanta all Trane parts are distributed
> by Home Depot, and he says they are a PITA. He handles American
> Standard so he doesn't have to deal with HD.
>
> Thanks.


All Trane parts through HD????
I'd love to hear this guy's story after you talk to him! :-)




Posted by Bubba on July 6, 2007, 8:43 am
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:06:47 -0700, noonehere@mail.com wrote:

>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:35:43 -0700, nooneh...@mail.com wrote:
>> >I live in metro Atlanta and I'm looking at replacing my 22 yr old
>> >Trane 2-zone system (both ACs and Furnaces). Got a quote today for
>> >Trane systems, and I wonder if it looks reasonable. They are for
>> >Trane 13 Seer systems, along with variable speed furnaces (he didn't
>> >feel the price differential to 15 Seer justified the potential
>> >savings).
>>
>> >Thee units are 2TTR30324A/TUD060R9V3K4 (downstairs zone) and
>> >2TTR3030A/TUD060R9V3K4 (upstairs zone).
>>
>> >The price per zone were $5808 and $6571 . Then I get a $1000 rebate
>> >from the company (not from Trane - those expired in June).
>>
>> >He also recommends the old R22 refrigerant instead of R410A. I can
>> >get the R410A for $343 additional per unit, but he has seen lots of
>> >problem with R410A due to excessive head pressure.
>>
>> >The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, and wasn't pressing me for
>> >upgrades, or add ons.
>>
>> >Do you think the quotes are reasonable?
>>
>> >What about his recommendation for R22 vs. R410A? Has anyone heard
>> >about problems with R410A? And will R22 be available for the
>> >foreseeable future?
>>
>> >Thanks.
>>
>> As far as zoning.........Im not totally thrilled with it. You already
>> have 2 separate systems yet you still need zoning? You might need to
>> address ductwork issues. Just my deal.....zoning is more parts to stop
>> working. It works when done right but then, so do properly installed
>> complete systems.
>> Price? I dunno. Your best bet is to get 3 quotes from know reputable
>> companies and dont be so hung up on the Trane brand. There are others.
>> Unfortunately, I feel the best choice is to go to R-410a. I dont
>> particularly like it but if R-22 disappears (like R-12 did) it will
>> become scarce and expensive. Right now, R-410a seems to be the only
>> "dumb" choice. :-)
>> Id also make sure my indoor coil was a TXV metering device.
>> I think matching a variable speed air handler with a 13 SEER unit in
>> the Atlanta area isnt the best of choice. You dont necessarily need 19
>> SEER or something but 13 is the bottom of the line. Also, when I last
>> checked my pricing, American Standard R-22 and R410a systems were the
>> same price (within a couple bucks).
>> Get another quote.
>> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>When I referred to "zone", I meant the "upstairs" and "downstairs"
>zones. I have two A/C units outside with 2 furnaces in the attic
>(I'm on a slab). Sorry if I used the wrong terminology.
>
>I just got a second quote for the same systems, and it was $5080 and
>$4480 before any rebates.
>
>Interesting that you bring up "zoning" - He also recommends going to a
>single Amana 16 Seer/96% efficiency 4 ton system, with zoning - but I
>don't like the idea of that additional mechanics in the ductwork. It
>would be $8072 ($6672 plus $1400 for the zoning work).

Why is he willing to go all the way to a 16 SEER using Amana(Goodman)
but a 13 SEER Trane with variable speed is all thats needed (according
to him).
Here is a hint: The Amana equipment is much less expensive.
>
>And he told me if I stayed with Trane and R22, I could use the same
>lineset I have. The other guy said I needed a new one going up the
>side of the house (that would look ugly). And the first guy charges
>$343 per system for R410 (the second guy says about $100). As far as
>R22 disappearing, if I go with a maintenance contract, wouldn't that
>be Coolray's problem (or whoever I choose)?

Here is another clue. You can use the existing line set with the
R-410a system too. All you need to do is blow it out with Nitrogen. If
it makes you feel better, you can flush it out with a $100 can of
Calgon RX-11 flush. Just make sure it is the right diameter line set.

How would it be Coolray's problem? Its your system. If R-22 disappears
he can't "shit a can of it".
>
>Well, one more quote tomorrow for American Standard. That guy says it
>is the same as Trane, but in Atlanta all Trane parts are distributed
>by Home Depot, and he says they are a PITA. He handles American
>Standard so he doesn't have to deal with HD.
>
>Thanks.

You're getting handed more shit on a platter than Ive heard in a
while. Basically, Trane and Am Std ARE the same. American Standard is
the Parent company. Cosmetic differences are mainly the differences.
Bubba

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