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Need recommendation about new Trane system for Atlanta area. noonehere 07-05-2007
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Posted by on July 6, 2007, 9:09 am
> Why is he willing to go all the way to a 16 SEER using Amana(Goodman)
> but a 13 SEER Trane with variable speed is all thats needed (according
> to him).
> Here is a hint: The Amana equipment is much less expensive.

I think it is more a matter of his preference. He is doing this on
his own home now (he says). Maybe he thinks the idea of going from 2
systems (up and down) to one with higher efficiency and cheaper would
interest me. But I'd rather stay with 2 systems. My preference is
Trane (or American Standard), just because I've had two Tranes running
for 22.5 years, and those were "builder grade". There still running
(now that the fan got loosened again), but I think they've served me
enough.

> Here is another clue. You can use the existing line set with the
> R-410a system too. All you need to do is blow it out with Nitrogen. If
> it makes you feel better, you can flush it out with a $100 can of
> Calgon RX-11 flush. Just make sure it is the right diameter line set.

OK, but I assume it has to have a particular diameter. I think it's
7/8 " , but the first guy seemed to think it won't work with either a
new R22 or R410 system. He said regardless of which way I went, I
needed a new lineset up the side of the house. The second guy said the
current lineset would be fine for R22.


> How would it be Coolray's problem? Its your system. If R-22 disappears
> he can't "shit a can of it".

I guess your right there, I just assumed since Coolray offered a
lifetime guarantee on parts and labor, if the machine didn't cool any
more, they'd have to do something (even if it required a conversion)


> You're getting handed more shit on a platter than Ive heard in a
> while. Basically, Trane and Am Std ARE the same. American Standard is
> the Parent company. Cosmetic differences are mainly the differences.
> Bubba- Hide quoted text -

Yes, I know American Standard is the "same", I just wanted to be sure
no one disagreed with what the dealer told me on the phone. The point
about "Home Depot" was that according to the owner of one of the
installers, HD "controlled" ALL "Trane" distibution in metro ATL,
while "American Standard" did not have to go through them.


Posted by on July 6, 2007, 11:00 am

> > Why is he willing to go all the way to a 16 SEER using Amana(Goodman)
> > but a 13 SEER Trane with variable speed is all thats needed (according
> > to him).
> > Here is a hint: The Amana equipment is much less expensive.
>
> I think it is more a matter of his preference. He is doing this on
> his own home now (he says). Maybe he thinks the idea of going from 2
> systems (up and down) to one with higher efficiency and cheaper would
> interest me. But I'd rather stay with 2 systems. My preference is
> Trane (or American Standard), just because I've had two Tranes running
> for 22.5 years, and those were "builder grade". There still running
> (now that the fan got loosened again), but I think they've served me
> enough.


Name brand doesn't matter, if they don't install these correctly.


> > Here is another clue. You can use the existing line set with the
> > R-410a system too. All you need to do is blow it out with Nitrogen. If
> > it makes you feel better, you can flush it out with a $100 can of
> > Calgon RX-11 flush. Just make sure it is the right diameter line set.
>
> OK, but I assume it has to have a particular diameter. I think it's
> 7/8 " , but the first guy seemed to think it won't work with either a
> new R22 or R410 system. He said regardless of which way I went, I
> needed a new lineset up the side of the house. The second guy said the
> current lineset would be fine for R22.


It's a personal preference, I like to run a new lineset with every new
install. But as Bubba said, you can use the old one if it's cleaned and
correctly sized.


> > How would it be Coolray's problem? Its your system. If R-22 disappears
> > he can't "shit a can of it".
>
> I guess your right there, I just assumed since Coolray offered a
> lifetime guarantee on parts and labor, if the machine didn't cool any
> more, they'd have to do something (even if it required a conversion)


LIFETIME???????






Posted by on July 6, 2007, 11:58 am
> > > Here is another clue. You can use the existing line set with the
> > > R-410a system too. All you need to do is blow it out with Nitrogen. If
> > > it makes you feel better, you can flush it out with a $100 can of
> > > Calgon RX-11 flush. Just make sure it is the right diameter line set.
>
> > OK, but I assume it has to have a particular diameter. I think it's
> > 7/8 " , but the first guy seemed to think it won't work with either a
> > new R22 or R410 system. He said regardless of which way I went, I
> > needed a new lineset up the side of the house. The second guy said the
> > current lineset would be fine for R22.
>
> It's a personal preference, I like to run a new lineset with every new
> install. But as Bubba said, you can use the old one if it's cleaned and
> correctly sized.
>

I think a new lineset is the best thing to do, I just wish they didn/t
have to run it up the side of the house, but they said they can't
snake it through were it is today. I just hate the look of those ugly
things when I drive around.

> > > How would it be Coolray's problem? Its your system. If R-22 disappears
> > > he can't "shit a can of it".
>
> > I guess your right there, I just assumed since Coolray offered a
> > lifetime guarantee on parts and labor, if the machine didn't cool any
> > more, they'd have to do something (even if it required a conversion)
>
> LIFETIME???????

Well, it's lifetime on parts & labor (unless they exclude refrigerant)
as long as you maintain a service contract.




Posted by Noon-Air on July 6, 2007, 12:34 pm

>> > > Here is another clue. You can use the existing line set with the
>> > > R-410a system too. All you need to do is blow it out with Nitrogen.
>> > > If
>> > > it makes you feel better, you can flush it out with a $100 can of
>> > > Calgon RX-11 flush. Just make sure it is the right diameter line set.
>>
>> > OK, but I assume it has to have a particular diameter. I think it's
>> > 7/8 " , but the first guy seemed to think it won't work with either a
>> > new R22 or R410 system. He said regardless of which way I went, I
>> > needed a new lineset up the side of the house. The second guy said the
>> > current lineset would be fine for R22.
>>
>> It's a personal preference, I like to run a new lineset with every new
>> install. But as Bubba said, you can use the old one if it's cleaned and
>> correctly sized.
>>
>
> I think a new lineset is the best thing to do, I just wish they didn/t
> have to run it up the side of the house, but they said they can't
> snake it through were it is today. I just hate the look of those ugly
> things when I drive around.

A quality contractor will hide the new lineset inside of a chase, like a
plastic downspout or such. If its done right, nobody will even realize that
its there.

>> > > How would it be Coolray's problem? Its your system. If R-22
>> > > disappears
>> > > he can't "shit a can of it".
>>
>> > I guess your right there, I just assumed since Coolray offered a
>> > lifetime guarantee on parts and labor, if the machine didn't cool any
>> > more, they'd have to do something (even if it required a conversion)
>>
>> LIFETIME???????
>
> Well, it's lifetime on parts & labor (unless they exclude refrigerant)
> as long as you maintain a service contract.

Whos lifetime??



Posted by Bubba on July 6, 2007, 8:31 pm
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:58:08 -0700, noonehere@mail.com wrote:

>> > > Here is another clue. You can use the existing line set with the
>> > > R-410a system too. All you need to do is blow it out with Nitrogen. If
>> > > it makes you feel better, you can flush it out with a $100 can of
>> > > Calgon RX-11 flush. Just make sure it is the right diameter line set.
>>
>> > OK, but I assume it has to have a particular diameter. I think it's
>> > 7/8 " , but the first guy seemed to think it won't work with either a
>> > new R22 or R410 system. He said regardless of which way I went, I
>> > needed a new lineset up the side of the house. The second guy said the
>> > current lineset would be fine for R22.
>>
>> It's a personal preference, I like to run a new lineset with every new
>> install. But as Bubba said, you can use the old one if it's cleaned and
>> correctly sized.
>>
>
>I think a new lineset is the best thing to do, I just wish they didn/t
>have to run it up the side of the house, but they said they can't
>snake it through were it is today. I just hate the look of those ugly
>things when I drive around.
>
As Nooner said.......The line set can be hidden. Cut out the back side
of a rectangular downspout and attach it. Wha-Laa!
Sizing is most important. The installation directions will tell you
what size the system needs.

>> > > How would it be Coolray's problem? Its your system. If R-22 disappears
>> > > he can't "shit a can of it".
>>
>> > I guess your right there, I just assumed since Coolray offered a
>> > lifetime guarantee on parts and labor, if the machine didn't cool any
>> > more, they'd have to do something (even if it required a conversion)
>>
>> LIFETIME???????
>
>Well, it's lifetime on parts & labor (unless they exclude refrigerant)
>as long as you maintain a service contract.
>
>
I havent heard of a Lifetime warranty either. Goodman had/has a
lifetime warranty but thats about all Ive seen.

Bubba

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