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New System Needed beberly1 03-13-2007
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Posted by on March 13, 2007, 2:38 pm
On 13 Mar 2007 10:05:19 -0700, beberly1@cfl.rr.com wrote:

> Hi everybody. I need to replace our existing, officially dead A/C
>system before Summer gets serious here in Orlando. I've gotten 3
>quotes & am down to just a couple questions. Hopefully you guys can
>help.
>
> 1) Size. House is 1345 sg ft, in high heat & humidity Florida. I
>cannot tell the size of the existing unit & have been told it's 3 ton
>or 2.5 depending on who I talk to. I have been quoted on both 3 ton &
>2.5 ton. The guy suggesting the 2.5 says longer cycles will control
>humidity better & the guys suggesting 3 says it will get on top of the
>heat better in broiling July. In all cases a 3 ton variable speed air
>handler would be used. Suggestions?
>
>2) Trane vs. Carrier. The 3 possible systems are: 1)Trane XR13 3 ton
>with 410 refrigerant & 4TEE3F37B air handler. 2) Carrier 25HCA36 3 ton
>with FV4BNF003 air handler. 3) Carrier 25HCA330A003 2.5 ton with
>FV4BNF003 air handler. I've been told by the Trane guy that his is a
>much better unit.

        Might be true. 'Opinions' and all that.

> I've been told by the Carrier guy that the entry
>level Trane was not designed for the higher pressures of 410 & is a
>potential leaker.

        That is a flat out lie.

> Carrier also said their air handler is much tighter
>& will not draw hot air from the garage where its located.

        That is a flat out lie.

>
> If it was your house, would you go Trane or Carrier & 3 ton or 2.5?

        I would go with who didn't lie to me twice ( or more )
already. I would never let the Carrier guy or his company on my
property again.


>
>Thanks in advance for the advice.
>
> Confused in Florida.

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Posted by on March 13, 2007, 6:11 pm
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:38:36 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>On 13 Mar 2007 10:05:19 -0700, beberly1@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody. I need to replace our existing, officially dead A/C
>>system before Summer gets serious here in Orlando. I've gotten 3
>>quotes & am down to just a couple questions. Hopefully you guys can
>>help.
>>
>> 1) Size. House is 1345 sg ft, in high heat & humidity Florida. I
>>cannot tell the size of the existing unit & have been told it's 3 ton
>>or 2.5 depending on who I talk to. I have been quoted on both 3 ton &
>>2.5 ton. The guy suggesting the 2.5 says longer cycles will control
>>humidity better & the guys suggesting 3 says it will get on top of the
>>heat better in broiling July. In all cases a 3 ton variable speed air
>>handler would be used. Suggestions?
>>
>>2) Trane vs. Carrier. The 3 possible systems are: 1)Trane XR13 3 ton
>>with 410 refrigerant & 4TEE3F37B air handler. 2) Carrier 25HCA36 3 ton
>>with FV4BNF003 air handler. 3) Carrier 25HCA330A003 2.5 ton with
>>FV4BNF003 air handler. I've been told by the Trane guy that his is a
>>much better unit.
>
>        Might be true. 'Opinions' and all that.
>
>> I've been told by the Carrier guy that the entry
>>level Trane was not designed for the higher pressures of 410 & is a
>>potential leaker.
>
>        That is a flat out lie.


Not True. A Trane XR13 CONDENSER, ac only or HP, is an R22 model.
If you want a Trane 410A condenser, models start with XR14

fyi- ALL Trane split condenser and air handler model numbers start
with either a 2 or a 4. One means R22, the other means R410.

XR13 ac condenser 2TTR3036A1000A = 3 ton R22
XR13 heat pump condenser 2TWR3036A1000A = 3 ton hp


The 4TEE3F37B is Trane's Top Of The Line AirHandler model for R410.

What I like about Trane vs Carriers air handlers is Trane uses a
standard 20x20x1 filter & Carrier uses a bastard size factory filter.

Another huge negative mark for Carrier is their factory glue on
insulation manages to unglue itself within the first year.



>
>> Carrier also said their air handler is much tighter
>>& will not draw hot air from the garage where its located.
>
>        That is a flat out lie.

got proof? :)



>
>>
>> If it was your house, would you go Trane or Carrier & 3 ton or 2.5?
>
>        I would go with who didn't lie to me twice ( or more )
>already. I would never let the Carrier guy or his company on my
>property again.
>
>
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the advice.
>>
>> Confused in Florida.


Posted by on March 13, 2007, 8:22 pm

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:38:36 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
> wrote:
>
> >On 13 Mar 2007 10:05:19 -0700, beberly1@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everybody. I need to replace our existing, officially dead A/C
> >>system before Summer gets serious here in Orlando. I've gotten 3
> >>quotes & am down to just a couple questions. Hopefully you guys can
> >>help.
> >>
> >> 1) Size. House is 1345 sg ft, in high heat & humidity Florida. I
> >>cannot tell the size of the existing unit & have been told it's 3 ton
> >>or 2.5 depending on who I talk to. I have been quoted on both 3 ton &
> >>2.5 ton. The guy suggesting the 2.5 says longer cycles will control
> >>humidity better & the guys suggesting 3 says it will get on top of the
> >>heat better in broiling July. In all cases a 3 ton variable speed air
> >>handler would be used. Suggestions?
> >>
> >>2) Trane vs. Carrier. The 3 possible systems are: 1)Trane XR13 3 ton
> >>with 410 refrigerant & 4TEE3F37B air handler. 2) Carrier 25HCA36 3 ton
> >>with FV4BNF003 air handler. 3) Carrier 25HCA330A003 2.5 ton with
> >>FV4BNF003 air handler. I've been told by the Trane guy that his is a
> >>much better unit.
> >
> > Might be true. 'Opinions' and all that.
> >
> >> I've been told by the Carrier guy that the entry
> >>level Trane was not designed for the higher pressures of 410 & is a
> >>potential leaker.
> >
> > That is a flat out lie.
>
>
> Not True. A Trane XR13 CONDENSER, ac only or HP, is an R22 model.
> If you want a Trane 410A condenser, models start with XR14
>
> fyi- ALL Trane split condenser and air handler model numbers start
> with either a 2 or a 4. One means R22, the other means R410.
>
> XR13 ac condenser 2TTR3036A1000A = 3 ton R22
> XR13 heat pump condenser 2TWR3036A1000A = 3 ton hp
>
>
> The 4TEE3F37B is Trane's Top Of The Line AirHandler model for R410.
>
> What I like about Trane vs Carriers air handlers is Trane uses a
> standard 20x20x1 filter & Carrier uses a bastard size factory filter.
>
> Another huge negative mark for Carrier is their factory glue on
> insulation manages to unglue itself within the first year.


Why would Carrier want to make anything simple? :-)


> >> Carrier also said their air handler is much tighter
> >>& will not draw hot air from the garage where its located.
> >
> > That is a flat out lie.
>
> got proof? :)
>
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> If it was your house, would you go Trane or Carrier & 3 ton or 2.5?
> >
> > I would go with who didn't lie to me twice ( or more )
> >already. I would never let the Carrier guy or his company on my
> >property again.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance for the advice.
> >>
> >> Confused in Florida.
>



Posted by on March 13, 2007, 8:32 pm

>
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:38:36 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 13 Mar 2007 10:05:19 -0700, beberly1@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi everybody. I need to replace our existing, officially dead A/C
>> >>system before Summer gets serious here in Orlando. I've gotten 3
>> >>quotes & am down to just a couple questions. Hopefully you guys can
>> >>help.
>> >>
>> >> 1) Size. House is 1345 sg ft, in high heat & humidity Florida. I
>> >>cannot tell the size of the existing unit & have been told it's 3 ton
>> >>or 2.5 depending on who I talk to. I have been quoted on both 3 ton &
>> >>2.5 ton. The guy suggesting the 2.5 says longer cycles will control
>> >>humidity better & the guys suggesting 3 says it will get on top of the
>> >>heat better in broiling July. In all cases a 3 ton variable speed air
>> >>handler would be used. Suggestions?
>> >>
>> >>2) Trane vs. Carrier. The 3 possible systems are: 1)Trane XR13 3 ton
>> >>with 410 refrigerant & 4TEE3F37B air handler. 2) Carrier 25HCA36 3 ton
>> >>with FV4BNF003 air handler. 3) Carrier 25HCA330A003 2.5 ton with
>> >>FV4BNF003 air handler. I've been told by the Trane guy that his is a
>> >>much better unit.
>> >
>> > Might be true. 'Opinions' and all that.
>> >
>> >> I've been told by the Carrier guy that the entry
>> >>level Trane was not designed for the higher pressures of 410 & is a
>> >>potential leaker.
>> >
>> > That is a flat out lie.
>>
>>
>> Not True. A Trane XR13 CONDENSER, ac only or HP, is an R22 model.
>> If you want a Trane 410A condenser, models start with XR14

        Well, let's just assume that the Trane dealer was not
proposing to load up a 22 model with 410A, shall we ? Let's assume
that the Carrier dealer knew that, right ? Come on already.


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Posted by on March 15, 2007, 12:14 am
On Mar 13, 6:11 pm, gof...@gonefishin.net wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:38:36 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 13 Mar 2007 10:05:19 -0700, beber...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>
> >> Hi everybody. I need to replace our existing, officially dead A/C
> >>system before Summer gets serious here in Orlando. I've gotten 3
> >>quotes & am down to just a couple questions. Hopefully you guys can
> >>help.
>
> >> 1) Size. House is 1345 sg ft, in high heat & humidity Florida. I
> >>cannot tell the size of the existing unit & have been told it's 3 ton
> >>or 2.5 depending on who I talk to. I have been quoted on both 3 ton &
> >>2.5 ton. The guy suggesting the 2.5 says longer cycles will control
> >>humidity better & the guys suggesting 3 says it will get on top of the
> >>heat better in broiling July. In all cases a 3 ton variable speed air
> >>handler would be used. Suggestions?
>
> >>2) Trane vs. Carrier. The 3 possible systems are: 1)Trane XR13 3 ton
> >>with 410 refrigerant & 4TEE3F37B air handler. 2) Carrier 25HCA36 3 ton
> >>with FV4BNF003 air handler. 3) Carrier 25HCA330A003 2.5 ton with
> >>FV4BNF003 air handler. I've been told by the Trane guy that his is a
> >>much better unit.
>
> > Might be true. 'Opinions' and all that.
>
> >> I've been told by the Carrier guy that the entry
> >>level Trane was not designed for the higher pressures of 410 & is a
> >>potential leaker.
>
> > That is a flat out lie.
>
> Not True. A Trane XR13 CONDENSER, ac only or HP, is an R22 model.
> If you want a Trane 410A condenser, models start with XR14
>
> fyi- ALL Trane split condenser and air handler model numbers start
> with either a 2 or a 4. One means R22, the other means R410.
>
> XR13 ac condenser 2TTR3036A1000A = 3 ton R22
> XR13 heat pump condenser 2TWR3036A1000A = 3 ton hp

Now THAT is interesting. The Trane dealer is intending to do EXACTLY
that (load up a XR13 with R410.) When I questioned him on it he said
a few valves would be changed & there'd be no problems. Now, thanks to
you guys, I've caught both dealers lying. At this point, I've borrowed
a window unit from a friend & will try another installer.

My intention was not to set off a storm of controversy, but I gotta
appreciate the education. Thanks again for the help.

> The 4TEE3F37B is Trane's Top Of The Line AirHandler model for R410.
>
> What I like about Trane vs Carriers air handlers is Trane uses a
> standard 20x20x1 filter & Carrier uses a bastard size factory filter.
>
> Another huge negative mark for Carrier is their factory glue on
> insulation manages to unglue itself within the first year.
>
>
>
> >> Carrier also said their air handler is much tighter
> >>& will not draw hot air from the garage where its located.
>
> > That is a flat out lie.
>
> got proof? :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >> If it was your house, would you go Trane or Carrier & 3 ton or 2.5?
>
> > I would go with who didn't lie to me twice ( or more )
> >already. I would never let the Carrier guy or his company on my
> >property again.
>
> >>Thanks in advance for the advice.
>
> >> Confused in Florida.- Hide
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