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New Trane system rumbles on startup/shutdown, and other issues Jason 12-12-2006
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Posted by Jason on December 12, 2006, 5:36 pm
I had a new Trane system installed recently in my home. It is an xl14i
heat pump and xv90 gas furnace. When the heat turns on, there is a 1
second rumble/vibration somewhere in the furnace, and about a 2 second
rumble when the system shuts down. I've had the installer out 3 times
and they can never fix it. Seems like they make it quieter, but in a
couple days it's back. The furnace is in the garage and backs to one
of the walls of our primary living area, so it is rather annoying to
hear the thing rumble on and off. Has anyone else had similar issues?
I don't want to pay > $10K for this new system, which is supposed to be
so quiet I won't even know it's on (yeah, right).

Also, I have some issues with the system heating the house in the
morning. I have a 2500 sq ft home, 2 floors. The thermostat is
upstairs. On a typical morning, 45 degrees outside, house is at around
65. At 7am I have it programmed to heat to 70. I have the adaptive
intelligence thing turned off. First thing it does is start up the
heat pump. After a minute or so it switches over to gas, then it
cycles back and forth between heat pump/gas, and it ends up taking
about 2 hours or longer to heat the house up 5 degrees to 70. I went
into the programming of the thermostat and changed one option to make
the recovery ramp more aggressive, and it seemed to help some, keeping
the gas heat on longer, but it still cycles back and forth. I would
figure the system would be smart enough to immediately go to gas, ramp
up quickly as possible to 70, then switch to heat pump for the rest..
Is that too much to ask for? Is there any way I can program this
better?

One more thing, how do I know if the second stage heat is actually
working? Should I hear the furnace speed up or feel more air coming
out of the registers? Does second stage heat system work with both the
heat pump and gas, or just when the gas is running?
Thanks for any help
Jason


Posted by Noon-Air on December 12, 2006, 7:33 pm

>I had a new Trane system installed recently in my home. It is an xl14i
> heat pump and xv90 gas furnace. When the heat turns on, there is a 1
> second rumble/vibration somewhere in the furnace, and about a 2 second
> rumble when the system shuts down. I've had the installer out 3 times
> and they can never fix it. Seems like they make it quieter, but in a
> couple days it's back. The furnace is in the garage and backs to one
> of the walls of our primary living area, so it is rather annoying to
> hear the thing rumble on and off. Has anyone else had similar issues?
> I don't want to pay > $10K for this new system, which is supposed to be
> so quiet I won't even know it's on (yeah, right).
>
> Also, I have some issues with the system heating the house in the
> morning. I have a 2500 sq ft home, 2 floors. The thermostat is
> upstairs. On a typical morning, 45 degrees outside, house is at around
> 65. At 7am I have it programmed to heat to 70. I have the adaptive
> intelligence thing turned off. First thing it does is start up the
> heat pump. After a minute or so it switches over to gas, then it
> cycles back and forth between heat pump/gas, and it ends up taking
> about 2 hours or longer to heat the house up 5 degrees to 70. I went
> into the programming of the thermostat and changed one option to make
> the recovery ramp more aggressive, and it seemed to help some, keeping
> the gas heat on longer, but it still cycles back and forth. I would
> figure the system would be smart enough to immediately go to gas, ramp
> up quickly as possible to 70, then switch to heat pump for the rest..
> Is that too much to ask for? Is there any way I can program this
> better?
>
> One more thing, how do I know if the second stage heat is actually
> working? Should I hear the furnace speed up or feel more air coming
> out of the registers? Does second stage heat system work with both the
> heat pump and gas, or just when the gas is running?
> Thanks for any help
> Jason
>
first off, turn on the intelligent recovery feature on the thermostat, and
give it a couple of weeks to learn when to turn on the system to be at the
desired temp at the desired time like it was designed to. with this feature,
it will try to use the *primary* part of the system(the heat pump) to bring
the temp up to your comfort level, then only use the furnace if the temp is
not at the set point at the desired time. Only one or the other should run
at any given time *NOT* both.
Your installer should have explained all this to you.

Set the thermostat, and let it do its job.

BTW... short recovery time = higher energy usage and higher bills.





Posted by Jason on December 12, 2006, 7:47 pm

> first off, turn on the intelligent recovery feature on the thermostat, and
> give it a couple of weeks to learn when to turn on the system to be at the
> desired temp at the desired time like it was designed to. with this feature,
> it will try to use the *primary* part of the system(the heat pump) to bring
> the temp up to your comfort level, then only use the furnace if the temp is
> not at the set point at the desired time. Only one or the other should run
> at any given time *NOT* both.
> Your installer should have explained all this to you.
>
> Set the thermostat, and let it do its job.
>
> BTW... short recovery time = higher energy usage and higher bills.

I did have the intelligent thing on for awhile thinking it might be
better. The installers said they always turn it OFF in every install.
The heat pump started coming on earlier and earlier. When it came on
at 3:30am and still couldn't heat the house to 70 by 7am, I turned it
off, opting for gas heat to heat up the house quicker.


Posted by Noon-Air on December 12, 2006, 7:58 pm

>
>> first off, turn on the intelligent recovery feature on the thermostat,
>> and
>> give it a couple of weeks to learn when to turn on the system to be at
>> the
>> desired temp at the desired time like it was designed to. with this
>> feature,
>> it will try to use the *primary* part of the system(the heat pump) to
>> bring
>> the temp up to your comfort level, then only use the furnace if the temp
>> is
>> not at the set point at the desired time. Only one or the other should
>> run
>> at any given time *NOT* both.
>> Your installer should have explained all this to you.
>>
>> Set the thermostat, and let it do its job.
>>
>> BTW... short recovery time = higher energy usage and higher bills.
>
> I did have the intelligent thing on for awhile thinking it might be
> better. The installers said they always turn it OFF in every install.
> The heat pump started coming on earlier and earlier. When it came on
> at 3:30am and still couldn't heat the house to 70 by 7am, I turned it
> off, opting for gas heat to heat up the house quicker.

Your installers are idiots
How cold was it outside and what was the temp inside when it came on at
3:30?? What is your setback temp??

Last week when it was in the teens here in south Mississippi, my heat was
coming on at 3:30 too... Today it didn't come on until 6:05 because it was
58 degrees last night.... and yes I DO use the intellegent recovery feature
on my stat.... it saves me as much as 18% on my utility bills.



Posted by Jason on December 12, 2006, 8:04 pm

Noon-Air wrote:
> >
> >> first off, turn on the intelligent recovery feature on the thermostat,
> >> and
> >> give it a couple of weeks to learn when to turn on the system to be at
> >> the
> >> desired temp at the desired time like it was designed to. with this
> >> feature,
> >> it will try to use the *primary* part of the system(the heat pump) to
> >> bring
> >> the temp up to your comfort level, then only use the furnace if the temp
> >> is
> >> not at the set point at the desired time. Only one or the other should
> >> run
> >> at any given time *NOT* both.
> >> Your installer should have explained all this to you.
> >>
> >> Set the thermostat, and let it do its job.
> >>
> >> BTW... short recovery time = higher energy usage and higher bills.
> >
> > I did have the intelligent thing on for awhile thinking it might be
> > better. The installers said they always turn it OFF in every install.
> > The heat pump started coming on earlier and earlier. When it came on
> > at 3:30am and still couldn't heat the house to 70 by 7am, I turned it
> > off, opting for gas heat to heat up the house quicker.
>
> Your installers are idiots
> How cold was it outside and what was the temp inside when it came on at
> 3:30?? What is your setback temp??
>
> Last week when it was in the teens here in south Mississippi, my heat was
> coming on at 3:30 too... Today it didn't come on until 6:05 because it was
> 58 degrees last night.... and yes I DO use the intellegent recovery feature
> on my stat.... it saves me as much as 18% on my utility bills.

It was probably around 40 outside, 64-65 inside. I had it set to be at
70 at 7am. what is setback temp?


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