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New Trane system rumbles on startup/shutdown, and other issues Jason 12-12-2006
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Posted by Noon-Air on December 13, 2006, 1:07 am

>
> Jason wrote:
>> >
>> > At this stage of the game you need to start over. You need to have
>> > everything checked out to see if it is all wired correctly, charged
>> > correctly and installed correctly. From what you've explained Id find
>> > someone other than who you had install it. They are complete idiots or
>> > lazy or both.
>> > The Adaptive Intelligent Recovery feature works very well. It is
>> > designed to save you money by using the first stage heat pump to heat
>> > your home as much as it can. Depending on how far you set your stat
>> > back at night, how cold out it is and the balance point of your home,
>> > your system may come on at 3:30am and even earlier.....much earlier.
>> > It may take several days or more for your thermostat to develop a
>> > memory of how early to start your system in the morning.
>> > Your 14 SEER Trane heat pump is NOT noisey. If it is, it is not
>> > installed properly. They are very quiet.
>> > If your system is wired properly the stat will control all 3 stages.
>> > If the installer were lazy, then the furnace control board dip switch
>> > will control the last stage of heat according to time............and
>> > Yes, you have a 3H-1C system.
>> > As of now, you've wasted a ton of money on a system that isnt working
>> > anywhere near how it should.
>> > Bubba
>>
>> Thanks, I figured I'd eventually have to get someone else out here. I
>> was hoping to learn as much as I can about the system in general from
>> you folks beforehand so I have some clue as to what to look for.
>>
>> I can re-enable the intelligent recovery again and see how it goes.
>> >From a savings perspective, is 4 hours of heat pump generally more
>> efficient than 2 hours of gas? Is there a general rule of thumb? If
>> I'm saving a lot with the sole use of the heat pump than I'd feel
>> better about the long startup.. And yes, the heat pump is quiet, much
>> quieter than my previous A/C, but at 4am in the dead of night, it can
>> still wake me up since it's close to my bedroom.
>>
>> Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
>> ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
>> was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
>> I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
>> Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
>> to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues? They
>> also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
>> enabling?
>>
>> I know my way around electronics, is there anything specific I could
>> check to see if there is any screwed up wiring or settings?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jason
>
> I peeked around the circuit board a bit. Here is what I've found that
> seems incorrect:
> It says to jumper W1 and W2 for single stage heating, and it'll use the
> time delay to enable second stage. I have W1 and W2 jumpered.
>
> It says for heat pump systems, Y and O should be connected to the
> low-voltage terminal board. O is not connected to anything in my
> board.
>
> For two speed system, use YLO for low speed, and Y for high speed
> connection to the low-voltage terminal board. YLO is unconnected in my
> board.
>
> I also see a Heat Pump add-on box attached to the furnace. From what I
> can gather, this seems to take the place of the thermostat to control
> when the to use heat pump or gas:
>
> "If the outdoor temperature is below the balance point of the system,
> and the heat pump cannot handle the load, when the temperature in the
> room drops approximately 1-1/2 degrees further, second stage heat is
> called for. Second stage turns the heat pump off and simultaneously
> brings the furnace on. The furnace will now satisfy the second stage
> only. The first stage of the thermostat is still calling. After a
> minimum delay of 45 seconds, the heat pump will resume operation. If
> the indoor temperature continues to rise, the thermostat will be
> satisfied. If indoor temperature does not continue to rise but falls,
> the second stage will call and bring on the gas furnace again."
>
> I guess this explains why W1/W2 are jumpered, this add on kit is doing
> the work. Why did they choose to use this instead of the system
> itself? This might also explain the cycling I experience...
>

DO NOT MESS WITH ANYTHING ELSE!!
Get somebody out there that actually knows what they are doing.



Posted by Jason on December 13, 2006, 1:23 am

Noon-Air wrote:
> >
> > Jason wrote:
> >> >
> >> > At this stage of the game you need to start over. You need to have
> >> > everything checked out to see if it is all wired correctly, charged
> >> > correctly and installed correctly. From what you've explained Id find
> >> > someone other than who you had install it. They are complete idiots or
> >> > lazy or both.
> >> > The Adaptive Intelligent Recovery feature works very well. It is
> >> > designed to save you money by using the first stage heat pump to heat
> >> > your home as much as it can. Depending on how far you set your stat
> >> > back at night, how cold out it is and the balance point of your home,
> >> > your system may come on at 3:30am and even earlier.....much earlier.
> >> > It may take several days or more for your thermostat to develop a
> >> > memory of how early to start your system in the morning.
> >> > Your 14 SEER Trane heat pump is NOT noisey. If it is, it is not
> >> > installed properly. They are very quiet.
> >> > If your system is wired properly the stat will control all 3 stages.
> >> > If the installer were lazy, then the furnace control board dip switch
> >> > will control the last stage of heat according to time............and
> >> > Yes, you have a 3H-1C system.
> >> > As of now, you've wasted a ton of money on a system that isnt working
> >> > anywhere near how it should.
> >> > Bubba
> >>
> >> Thanks, I figured I'd eventually have to get someone else out here. I
> >> was hoping to learn as much as I can about the system in general from
> >> you folks beforehand so I have some clue as to what to look for.
> >>
> >> I can re-enable the intelligent recovery again and see how it goes.
> >> >From a savings perspective, is 4 hours of heat pump generally more
> >> efficient than 2 hours of gas? Is there a general rule of thumb? If
> >> I'm saving a lot with the sole use of the heat pump than I'd feel
> >> better about the long startup.. And yes, the heat pump is quiet, much
> >> quieter than my previous A/C, but at 4am in the dead of night, it can
> >> still wake me up since it's close to my bedroom.
> >>
> >> Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
> >> ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
> >> was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
> >> I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
> >> Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
> >> to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues? They
> >> also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
> >> enabling?
> >>
> >> I know my way around electronics, is there anything specific I could
> >> check to see if there is any screwed up wiring or settings?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Jason
> >
> > I peeked around the circuit board a bit. Here is what I've found that
> > seems incorrect:
> > It says to jumper W1 and W2 for single stage heating, and it'll use the
> > time delay to enable second stage. I have W1 and W2 jumpered.
> >
> > It says for heat pump systems, Y and O should be connected to the
> > low-voltage terminal board. O is not connected to anything in my
> > board.
> >
> > For two speed system, use YLO for low speed, and Y for high speed
> > connection to the low-voltage terminal board. YLO is unconnected in my
> > board.
> >
> > I also see a Heat Pump add-on box attached to the furnace. From what I
> > can gather, this seems to take the place of the thermostat to control
> > when the to use heat pump or gas:
> >
> > "If the outdoor temperature is below the balance point of the system,
> > and the heat pump cannot handle the load, when the temperature in the
> > room drops approximately 1-1/2 degrees further, second stage heat is
> > called for. Second stage turns the heat pump off and simultaneously
> > brings the furnace on. The furnace will now satisfy the second stage
> > only. The first stage of the thermostat is still calling. After a
> > minimum delay of 45 seconds, the heat pump will resume operation. If
> > the indoor temperature continues to rise, the thermostat will be
> > satisfied. If indoor temperature does not continue to rise but falls,
> > the second stage will call and bring on the gas furnace again."
> >
> > I guess this explains why W1/W2 are jumpered, this add on kit is doing
> > the work. Why did they choose to use this instead of the system
> > itself? This might also explain the cycling I experience...
> >
>
> DO NOT MESS WITH ANYTHING ELSE!!
> Get somebody out there that actually knows what they are doing.

Calm down, I'm not messing with anything. Do you have anything
constructive to add to the conversation?


Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski on December 13, 2006, 1:38 am

...
> > >
> >
> > DO NOT MESS WITH ANYTHING ELSE!!
> > Get somebody out there that actually knows what they are doing.
>
> Calm down, I'm not messing with anything. Do you have anything
> constructive to add to the conversation?
>

Heh...he's perfectly calm--if I have any clue.

You, ( OTOH ) seem to have but very few clues....suggest first make sure
your heat pump isnt cooling when it should in fact be heating.....

After that, suggest re-read all posts ( hint--most of them are spot-on )
then go figure a while before doing anything.

--








Posted by Jason on December 13, 2006, 2:10 am

Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:
> ...
> > > >
> > >
> > > DO NOT MESS WITH ANYTHING ELSE!!
> > > Get somebody out there that actually knows what they are doing.
> >
> > Calm down, I'm not messing with anything. Do you have anything
> > constructive to add to the conversation?
> >
>
> Heh...he's perfectly calm--if I have any clue.
>
> You, ( OTOH ) seem to have but very few clues....suggest first make sure
> your heat pump isnt cooling when it should in fact be heating.....
>
> After that, suggest re-read all posts ( hint--most of them are spot-on )
> then go figure a while before doing anything.
>
> --

Right, which is why I'm here trying to learn more about it. There has
been some good information posted and I appreciate that. Not sure why
folks feel the need to bash me though. Oh well.

So it looks like this Add-on heat pump kit (TAYPLUS103A) is a
fossil-fuel kit, correct? My thermostat has an option to choose the
backup heat source as electric or fossil-fuel. Currently it is set to
electric. There is also an option, if fossil-fuel is selected, to use
an external fossil-fuel kit to control backup heat, or use the
thermostat. This is not enabled because electric backup is specified.
Seems to me that fossil-fuel should be selected as backup and the
External fossil fuel kit should be enabled.


Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski on December 13, 2006, 2:30 am

>
> Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:
> > ...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > DO NOT MESS WITH ANYTHING ELSE!!
> > > > Get somebody out there that actually knows what they are doing.
> > >
> > > Calm down, I'm not messing with anything. Do you have anything
> > > constructive to add to the conversation?
> > >
> >
> > Heh...he's perfectly calm--if I have any clue.
> >
> > You, ( OTOH ) seem to have but very few clues....suggest first make sure
> > your heat pump isnt cooling when it should in fact be heating.....
> >
> > After that, suggest re-read all posts ( hint--most of them are spot-on )
> > then go figure a while before doing anything.
> >
> > --
>
> Right, which is why I'm here trying to learn more about it. There has
> been some good information posted and I appreciate that. Not sure why
> folks feel the need to bash me though. Oh well.
>
> So it looks like this Add-on heat pump kit (TAYPLUS103A) is a
> fossil-fuel kit, correct? My thermostat has an option to choose the
> backup heat source as electric or fossil-fuel.

Sorry, not familiar with all of the various taystat part ##.....suggest
maybe you should try contacting the Thermostat Kings :.

www.the_thermostat_kings.com

> Currently it is set to
> electric. There is also an option, if fossil-fuel is selected, to use
> an external fossil-fuel kit to control backup heat, or use the
> thermostat. This is not enabled because electric backup is specified.
> Seems to me that fossil-fuel should be selected as backup and the
> External fossil fuel kit should be enabled.
>

Bye bye...

--






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