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New Trane system rumbles on startup/shutdown, and other issues Jason 12-12-2006
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Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski on December 13, 2006, 1:21 am

>
> Thanks, I figured I'd eventually have to get someone else out here. I
> was hoping to learn as much as I can about the system in general from
> you folks beforehand so I have some clue as to what to look for.
>
> I can re-enable the intelligent recovery again and see how it goes.
>

With the typical setup, the heat pump will run continuous until it can no
longer keep up with heating demand, at which point aux heat ( second, third
stages ) will also kick in....typically the heat pump is kept active even
while the aux is running.

>
> >From a savings perspective, is 4 hours of heat pump generally more
> efficient than 2 hours of gas? Is there a general rule of thumb? If
> I'm saving a lot with the sole use of the heat pump than I'd feel
> better about the long startup.. And yes, the heat pump is quiet, much
> quieter than my previous A/C, but at 4am in the dead of night, it can
> still wake me up since it's close to my bedroom.
>

Do your own homework, electric and fossil fuel prices actually do vary
considerably depending upon physical location....an important constant for
comparison being the value "BTUH"

>
> Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
> ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
> was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
> I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
> Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
> to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues? They
> also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
> enabling?
>

You should fucking quit complaining and pay the man--then, also pay him to
install new ductwork at some point after the holidays if the noise still
bothers you.

>
> I know my way around electronics, is there anything specific I could
> check to see if there is any screwed up wiring or settings?
>

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Posted by Jason on December 13, 2006, 1:38 am

> >
> > Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
> > ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
> > was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
> > I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
> > Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
> > to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues? They
> > also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
> > enabling?
> >
>
> You should fucking quit complaining and pay the man--then, also pay him to
> install new ductwork at some point after the holidays if the noise still
> bothers you.
>

You're kidding right? I paid 12K for this install. I got top of the
line components. I was told "you won't even hear the furnace it's so
quiet." They damn well better make sure I don't hear it. Would you
settle, or pay even more to get the problem fixed?


Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski on December 13, 2006, 1:51 am

>
> > >
> > > Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
> > > ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
> > > was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
> > > I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
> > > Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
> > > to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues?
They
> > > also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
> > > enabling?
> > >
> >
> > You should fucking quit complaining and pay the man--then, also pay him
to
> > install new ductwork at some point after the holidays if the noise still
> > bothers you.
> >
>
> You're kidding right? I paid 12K for this install. I got top of the
> line components. I was told "you won't even hear the furnace it's so
> quiet." They damn well better make sure I don't hear it. Would you
> settle, or pay even more to get the problem fixed?
>

Heat pumps typically need higher airflow capacity ductwork as compared to
what is usually provided with a previously installed all-fossil fueled
system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bessimer

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Posted by jamesgangnc on December 13, 2006, 8:22 am
One of the problems with these high end systems is finding decent
technicians to install them. I mean these guys told you they turn off
one of the features on every install. That should have been your first
clue. Does it sound like they know how to install and set up the
system to work properly? They're messing around with fan speeds to
solve noise problems. Does that sound right to you?

A $2k system installed properly is better than a $12k system installed
improperly.

Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
> > > ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
> > > was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
> > > I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
> > > Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
> > > to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues? They
> > > also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
> > > enabling?
> > >
> >
> > You should fucking quit complaining and pay the man--then, also pay him to
> > install new ductwork at some point after the holidays if the noise still
> > bothers you.
> >
>
> You're kidding right? I paid 12K for this install. I got top of the
> line components. I was told "you won't even hear the furnace it's so
> quiet." They damn well better make sure I don't hear it. Would you
> settle, or pay even more to get the problem fixed?


Posted by udarrell on December 13, 2006, 8:14 am
Jason wrote:

>>At this stage of the game you need to start over. You need to have
>>everything checked out to see if it is all wired correctly, charged
>>correctly and installed correctly. From what you've explained Id find
>>someone other than who you had install it. They are complete idiots or
>>lazy or both.
>>The Adaptive Intelligent Recovery feature works very well. It is
>>designed to save you money by using the first stage heat pump to heat
>>your home as much as it can. Depending on how far you set your stat
>>back at night, how cold out it is and the balance point of your home,
>>your system may come on at 3:30am and even earlier.....much earlier.
>>It may take several days or more for your thermostat to develop a
>>memory of how early to start your system in the morning.
>>Your 14 SEER Trane heat pump is NOT noisey. If it is, it is not
>>installed properly. They are very quiet.
>>If your system is wired properly the stat will control all 3 stages.
>>If the installer were lazy, then the furnace control board dip switch
>>will control the last stage of heat according to time............and
>>Yes, you have a 3H-1C system.
>>As of now, you've wasted a ton of money on a system that isnt working
>>anywhere near how it should.
>>Bubba
>>
>>
>
>Thanks, I figured I'd eventually have to get someone else out here. I
>was hoping to learn as much as I can about the system in general from
>you folks beforehand so I have some clue as to what to look for.
>
>I can re-enable the intelligent recovery again and see how it goes.
>>From a savings perspective, is 4 hours of heat pump generally more
>efficient than 2 hours of gas? Is there a general rule of thumb? If
>I'm saving a lot with the sole use of the heat pump than I'd feel
>better about the long startup.. And yes, the heat pump is quiet, much
>quieter than my previous A/C, but at 4am in the dead of night, it can
>still wake me up since it's close to my bedroom.
>
>
Any possible savings using the heat pump depends on the cost of
electricity compared to gas prices.
The above also depends on how efficient the system is operating "in each
mode."

>Another thing the installer did that I didn't think was right was
>ratchet down the cfm output to try to fix/mask the noise issues. It
>was originally set to normal, they dropped it down to medium-low, when
>I still complained a week later, they dropped it down again to low.
>Won't this affect the efficiency of the system? Should I put it back
>to 'normal' since it did nothing for the rumble/vibration issues? They
>also have the Comfort-R disabled. Is that something that I should be
>enabling?
>
>
Proper airflow levels are critical to the efficient operation of all of
the heating modes.
The listed blower motor speeds, to be used, may NOT even be delivering
the required airflow!
Read all the links below & have the actual airflow CFM checked along
with the ductwork!
Bring everything up to the required specs, "& then do the proper tests
to verify the results."
I would guess that the heat pump might be operating at a lower percent
of its rated efficiency - than the gas mode!

>I know my way around electronics, is there anything specific I could
>check to see if there is any screwed up wiring or settings?
>Thanks, Jason
>
>
There is a chance that it is not wired properly. - udarrell

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http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_btuh_duct_sizing_air_conditioning_systems.html

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