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OT fuel prices and the economy Steve 05-30-2009
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Posted by Steve on May 30, 2009, 12:14 pm
Please forward this on to anybody and everybody that you think might be able
to make a difference. BTW.. for those who don't think what I wrote is true,
check your balance sheets over the last couple of years and look for the
pattern.

JSN



The country doesn't run on Wall Street or government.. It runs on all of the
micro economies across the country. I'm not talking about the big
metropolises; I am talking about all of the areas across the country that
are similar to the Mississippi pine belt. These micro economies are very
fragile and can be easily upset by as little as a 25 cent increase in the
price of fuels.

A personal observation if you will.. Mid June 2008 when the price of oil and
fuels peaked, there were almost no vehicles on the road, and nobody in the
stores. They had no money to spend..it was all going to fuel their vehicles
so they could get back and forth to work. Within a week or so after the
price of fuels dropped in the fall, there was traffic on the roads again,
and people were in the stores spending money again, because every dime
didn't
have to go in the gas tank.



Fast forward to February 2009.. People had gotten some "breathing room" in
their finances, and were getting caught up so they had more money to
spend..This is what was stimulating the local economy. People were on the
roads and in the stores because they had disposable income again. Now in
the last month, the price of gasoline has come real close to doubling again
because the speculators have seen the national economy start to rebound, and
the price of oil and fuels have jumped by leaps and bounds again. Plain old
working folks can't afford to take vacations, and are having a hard time
making ends meet again.. All because of the increased price of fuels.

Now in May 2009, fuel prices are on the rise again, traffic on the roads is
disappearing again, money flow has all but come to a screeching halt again,
and retail businesses are already feeling it in reduced revenue. This is
just the beginning. the trickledown effect is that there is a reduced
demand for goods and services, retailers and manufacturers will have to lay
off even more people, or close. The costs for transporting products and
materials will rise even more.

If the economy is to truly rebound and recover, the price gouging by big oil
and speculators MUST stop, the refineries must be brought back up to
normal production levels again as well as opening back up all the platforms
and production facilities. As I recall, the refineries have cut their
production capacity down by 80% or more, as well as shutting down enough
platforms and facilities to have to lay off thousands of workers.. All for
the purpose of artificially increasing the price of oil and fuels.

Here's a news flash. there is no more "travel season" because people can't
afford it. People don't have the disposable income to spend. If the oil
companies want to make more money, they can increase production, to lower
the price of gasoline and fuels to where they *should* be, and keep it that
way. For that matter, instead of raising the price of fuels in summer, the
prices need to drop so people can afford to take their vacations, and can
afford to travel, and be able to spend more money.

Want to raise gas and fuel prices?? Just remember that to raise gasoline and
fuel prices comes at a great cost , and not just to the oil companies
profits.. It will do more to destroy the entire country and the national
economy, and is counterproductive to making money flow and "stimulating" the
economy than anything else.


--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating & A/C
Noon-Air@comcast.net


Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons because, to them,
you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.





Posted by Stormin Mormon on May 30, 2009, 10:30 pm
If the prices stay up, more people will turn to the Fed for
handouts, so that they can get welfare, etc. The Fed will
love being in better control over the people. That's the
dirty little secret.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


Please forward this on to anybody and everybody that you
think might be able
to make a difference. BTW.. for those who don't think what I
wrote is true,
check your balance sheets over the last couple of years and
look for the
pattern.

JSN



The country doesn't run on Wall Street or government.. It
runs on all of the
micro economies across the country. I'm not talking about
the big
metropolises; I am talking about all of the areas across
the country that
are similar to the Mississippi pine belt. These micro
economies are very
fragile and can be easily upset by as little as a 25 cent
increase in the
price of fuels.

A personal observation if you will.. Mid June 2008 when the
price of oil and
fuels peaked, there were almost no vehicles on the road, and
nobody in the
stores. They had no money to spend..it was all going to fuel
their vehicles
so they could get back and forth to work. Within a week or
so after the
price of fuels dropped in the fall, there was traffic on the
roads again,
and people were in the stores spending money again, because
every dime
didn't
have to go in the gas tank.



Fast forward to February 2009.. People had gotten some
"breathing room" in
their finances, and were getting caught up so they had more
money to
spend..This is what was stimulating the local economy.
People were on the
roads and in the stores because they had disposable income
again. Now in
the last month, the price of gasoline has come real close to
doubling again
because the speculators have seen the national economy start
to rebound, and
the price of oil and fuels have jumped by leaps and bounds
again. Plain old
working folks can't afford to take vacations, and are having
a hard time
making ends meet again.. All because of the increased price
of fuels.

Now in May 2009, fuel prices are on the rise again, traffic
on the roads is
disappearing again, money flow has all but come to a
screeching halt again,
and retail businesses are already feeling it in reduced
revenue. This is
just the beginning. the trickledown effect is that there is
a reduced
demand for goods and services, retailers and manufacturers
will have to lay
off even more people, or close. The costs for transporting
products and
materials will rise even more.

If the economy is to truly rebound and recover, the price
gouging by big oil
and speculators MUST stop, the refineries must be brought
back up to
normal production levels again as well as opening back up
all the platforms
and production facilities. As I recall, the refineries have
cut their
production capacity down by 80% or more, as well as shutting
down enough
platforms and facilities to have to lay off thousands of
workers.. All for
the purpose of artificially increasing the price of oil and
fuels.

Here's a news flash. there is no more "travel season"
because people can't
afford it. People don't have the disposable income to spend.
If the oil
companies want to make more money, they can increase
production, to lower
the price of gasoline and fuels to where they *should* be,
and keep it that
way. For that matter, instead of raising the price of fuels
in summer, the
prices need to drop so people can afford to take their
vacations, and can
afford to travel, and be able to spend more money.

Want to raise gas and fuel prices?? Just remember that to
raise gasoline and
fuel prices comes at a great cost , and not just to the oil
companies
profits.. It will do more to destroy the entire country and
the national
economy, and is counterproductive to making money flow and
"stimulating" the
economy than anything else.


--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating & A/C
Noon-Air@comcast.net


Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons because, to them,
you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.






Posted by Master Tang on June 2, 2009, 2:05 pm

> If the prices stay up, more people will turn to the Fed for
> handouts, so that they can get welfare, etc. The Fed will
> love being in better control over the people. That's the
> dirty little secret.
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .

Can you say it with a Dale Gribble accent?

mt


Posted by Don Ocean on May 30, 2009, 11:06 pm
Steve wrote:
> Please forward this on to anybody and everybody that you think might be able
> to make a difference. BTW.. for those who don't think what I wrote is true,
> check your balance sheets over the last couple of years and look for the
> pattern.
>
> JSN
>
>
>
> The country doesn't run on Wall Street or government.. It runs on all of the
> micro economies across the country. I'm not talking about the big
> metropolises; I am talking about all of the areas across the country that
> are similar to the Mississippi pine belt. These micro economies are very
> fragile and can be easily upset by as little as a 25 cent increase in the
> price of fuels.
>
> A personal observation if you will.. Mid June 2008 when the price of oil and
> fuels peaked, there were almost no vehicles on the road, and nobody in the
> stores. They had no money to spend..it was all going to fuel their vehicles
> so they could get back and forth to work. Within a week or so after the
> price of fuels dropped in the fall, there was traffic on the roads again,
> and people were in the stores spending money again, because every dime
> didn't
> have to go in the gas tank.
>
>
>
> Fast forward to February 2009.. People had gotten some "breathing room" in
> their finances, and were getting caught up so they had more money to
> spend..This is what was stimulating the local economy. People were on the
> roads and in the stores because they had disposable income again. Now in
> the last month, the price of gasoline has come real close to doubling again
> because the speculators have seen the national economy start to rebound, and
> the price of oil and fuels have jumped by leaps and bounds again. Plain old
> working folks can't afford to take vacations, and are having a hard time
> making ends meet again.. All because of the increased price of fuels.
>
> Now in May 2009, fuel prices are on the rise again, traffic on the roads is
> disappearing again, money flow has all but come to a screeching halt again,
> and retail businesses are already feeling it in reduced revenue. This is
> just the beginning. the trickledown effect is that there is a reduced
> demand for goods and services, retailers and manufacturers will have to lay
> off even more people, or close. The costs for transporting products and
> materials will rise even more.
>
> If the economy is to truly rebound and recover, the price gouging by big oil
> and speculators MUST stop, the refineries must be brought back up to
> normal production levels again as well as opening back up all the platforms
> and production facilities. As I recall, the refineries have cut their
> production capacity down by 80% or more, as well as shutting down enough
> platforms and facilities to have to lay off thousands of workers.. All for
> the purpose of artificially increasing the price of oil and fuels.
>
> Here's a news flash. there is no more "travel season" because people can't
> afford it. People don't have the disposable income to spend. If the oil
> companies want to make more money, they can increase production, to lower
> the price of gasoline and fuels to where they *should* be, and keep it that
> way. For that matter, instead of raising the price of fuels in summer, the
> prices need to drop so people can afford to take their vacations, and can
> afford to travel, and be able to spend more money.
>
> Want to raise gas and fuel prices?? Just remember that to raise gasoline and
> fuel prices comes at a great cost , and not just to the oil companies
> profits.. It will do more to destroy the entire country and the national
> economy, and is counterproductive to making money flow and "stimulating" the
> economy than anything else.

Its a control mechanism for the masses. A few pols hanging from tall oak
trees would curb that.
>
>

Posted by Zyp on June 3, 2009, 6:22 pm
Steve wrote:
> Please forward this on to anybody and everybody that you think might
> be able to make a difference. BTW.. for those who don't think what I
> wrote is true, check your balance sheets over the last couple of
> years and look for the pattern.
> JSN
> The country doesn't run on Wall Street or government.. It runs on all
> of the micro economies across the country. I'm not talking about the
> big metropolises; I am talking about all of the areas across the
> country that are similar to the Mississippi pine belt. These micro
> economies are very fragile and can be easily upset by as little as a
> 25 cent increase in the price of fuels.
> A personal observation if you will.. Mid June 2008 when the price of
> oil and fuels peaked, there were almost no vehicles on the road, and
> nobody in the stores. They had no money to spend..it was all going to
> fuel their vehicles so they could get back and forth to work. Within
> a week or so after the price of fuels dropped in the fall, there was
> traffic on the roads again, and people were in the stores spending
> money again, because every dime didn't
> have to go in the gas tank.
> Fast forward to February 2009.. People had gotten some "breathing
> room" in their finances, and were getting caught up so they had more
> money to spend..This is what was stimulating the local economy. People
> were on the roads and in the stores because they had
> disposable income again. Now in the last month, the price of
> gasoline has come real close to doubling again because the
> speculators have seen the national economy start to rebound, and the
> price of oil and fuels have jumped by leaps and bounds again. Plain
> old working folks can't afford to take vacations, and are having a
> hard time making ends meet again.. All because of the increased price
> of fuels.
> Now in May 2009, fuel prices are on the rise again, traffic on the
> roads is disappearing again, money flow has all but come to a
> screeching halt again, and retail businesses are already feeling it
> in reduced revenue. This is just the beginning. the trickledown effect is
> that there is a reduced demand for goods and services,
> retailers and manufacturers will have to lay off even more people, or
> close. The costs for transporting products and materials will rise
> even more.
> If the economy is to truly rebound and recover, the price gouging by
> big oil and speculators MUST stop, the refineries must be brought
> back up to normal production levels again as well as opening back up
> all the platforms and production facilities. As I recall, the
> refineries have cut their production capacity down by 80% or more, as
> well as shutting down enough platforms and facilities to have to lay
> off thousands of workers.. All for the purpose of artificially
> increasing the price of oil and fuels.
> Here's a news flash. there is no more "travel season" because people
> can't afford it. People don't have the disposable income to spend. If
> the oil companies want to make more money, they can increase
> production, to lower the price of gasoline and fuels to where they
> *should* be, and keep it that way. For that matter, instead of
> raising the price of fuels in summer, the prices need to drop so
> people can afford to take their vacations, and can afford to travel,
> and be able to spend more money.
> Want to raise gas and fuel prices?? Just remember that to raise
> gasoline and fuel prices comes at a great cost , and not just to the
> oil companies profits.. It will do more to destroy the entire country
> and the national economy, and is counterproductive to making money
> flow and "stimulating" the economy than anything else.
> --
> Steve @ Noon-Air Heating & A/C
> Noon-Air@comcast.net
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons because, to them,
> you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Maybe Steve, that's why folks couldn't afford to make their house payments?
And, as more and more property was released to the banks, [no payments
coming in] - credit dried up for many. Since the available home inventory
has increased, the prices of real estate fell. As the home values fell,
more and more let their homes go back, and, since there's little confidence
in the economy, less and less spending occurred [not knowing if they would
receive their next paycheck.] Less and less spending slowed cash flow, less
cash flow results in people being laid off and, as for manufacturing, less
is needed for inventory - which results in less workers. And, here we
are.... :( - no one buying cars, eathing out, buying air conditioners, or
working for that matter.

--
Zyp



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