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Problems with air conditioners, etc Ignoramus18860 07-17-2006
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Posted by wyredog on July 19, 2006, 10:10 pm
> In most cases, there is a resistor across the terminals of the
> capacitor, so that it loses its charge in a few minutes (or sooner)
> after being turned off.
>
> You cannot assume that it is the case for YOU without knowing for sure
> (ie, seeing and identifying the bleed resistor).
>
> The first thing to do is to identify two terminals of the
> capacitor. If you cannot do that, safety considerations suggest to put
> everything back and call a "qualified expert". If you see two
> terminals, take an isolated screwdriver by its isolated handle
> (without touching metal) and make sure that you connect two ends of
> the capacitor with the screwdriver.
>
> Most likely (as would be in the case of a bleed resistor), nothing
> would happen, but if the cap holds a charge, you can hear a loud
> discharge. After you make 100% sure that the cap is discharged, it is
> safe to handle it (and if you like to be really careful, you do not
> have to touch the terminals anyway).
>
> Why do you think that you need to replace the caps?
>
Thanks for the info!

I think the cap is the cheapest thing that may be the likely fix. See
what you think:

A few days ago I cam home to a silent outside unit (no fan no
compressor nothing). Found that the 30A breaker was thrown. Turned it
back on and it flipped off after a couple seconds. Later I tried it
again jsut because I was hot hand had nothing else to think about.
This time it worked...the heat pump turned on and ran as if nothing
were wrong.

So I replaced the breaker hoping it was just to weak. Same scenario
with it. The AC will run ..on ...off on...off through several cooling
cycles then one time it will throw the breaker and that's all she wrote
until I go into the crawl space and turn the breaker on again.

Other relavent factors: The unit is only 3 years old, Arco Air made by
Carrier. And it has been record heat here since just before this
began......causing the unit to run very frequently


Posted by Ignoramus16532 on July 19, 2006, 10:16 pm
>> In most cases, there is a resistor across the terminals of the
>> capacitor, so that it loses its charge in a few minutes (or sooner)
>> after being turned off.
>>
>> You cannot assume that it is the case for YOU without knowing for sure
>> (ie, seeing and identifying the bleed resistor).
>>
>> The first thing to do is to identify two terminals of the
>> capacitor. If you cannot do that, safety considerations suggest to put
>> everything back and call a "qualified expert". If you see two
>> terminals, take an isolated screwdriver by its isolated handle
>> (without touching metal) and make sure that you connect two ends of
>> the capacitor with the screwdriver.
>>
>> Most likely (as would be in the case of a bleed resistor), nothing
>> would happen, but if the cap holds a charge, you can hear a loud
>> discharge. After you make 100% sure that the cap is discharged, it is
>> safe to handle it (and if you like to be really careful, you do not
>> have to touch the terminals anyway).
>>
>> Why do you think that you need to replace the caps?
>>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> I think the cap is the cheapest thing that may be the likely fix. See
> what you think:
>
> A few days ago I cam home to a silent outside unit (no fan no
> compressor nothing). Found that the 30A breaker was thrown. Turned it
> back on and it flipped off after a couple seconds. Later I tried it
> again jsut because I was hot hand had nothing else to think about.
> This time it worked...the heat pump turned on and ran as if nothing
> were wrong.

Do you have a wife or anyone else who can turn on the breaker from
inside while you are outside, listening? Does it pop instantly or
after some little time? Does the A/C make a humming noise during that
time?

i

> So I replaced the breaker hoping it was just to weak.

The breaker has to match the A/C, you know.

> Same scenario with it. The AC will run ..on ...off on...off through
> several cooling cycles then one time it will throw the breaker and
> that's all she wrote until I go into the crawl space and turn the
> breaker on again.
>
> Other relavent factors: The unit is only 3 years old, Arco Air made by
> Carrier. And it has been record heat here since just before this
> began......causing the unit to run very frequently
>

I dunno, it possibly is not the capacitor. If you have a multimeter
(as you should) with a capacitance, tester, you can test it (it could
be bad at 220VAC even if tests OK by the tester, but still it is good
to test).

Do not assume too much too soon. Could be that something makes the
motor run harder than it should, for example. Some good investigation
and careful writing down of the facts could help.

You may need to "hire a pro", eventually, but you would run less of a
chance of being taken to cleaners if you form a good picture of what
is going on. Or maybe you can just fix it.

i


Posted by Noon-Air on July 19, 2006, 10:26 pm

>>> In most cases, there is a resistor across the terminals of the
>>> capacitor, so that it loses its charge in a few minutes (or sooner)
>>> after being turned off.
>>>
>>> You cannot assume that it is the case for YOU without knowing for sure
>>> (ie, seeing and identifying the bleed resistor).
>>>
>>> The first thing to do is to identify two terminals of the
>>> capacitor. If you cannot do that, safety considerations suggest to put
>>> everything back and call a "qualified expert". If you see two
>>> terminals, take an isolated screwdriver by its isolated handle
>>> (without touching metal) and make sure that you connect two ends of
>>> the capacitor with the screwdriver.
>>>
>>> Most likely (as would be in the case of a bleed resistor), nothing
>>> would happen, but if the cap holds a charge, you can hear a loud
>>> discharge. After you make 100% sure that the cap is discharged, it is
>>> safe to handle it (and if you like to be really careful, you do not
>>> have to touch the terminals anyway).
>>>
>>> Why do you think that you need to replace the caps?
>>>
>> Thanks for the info!
>>
>> I think the cap is the cheapest thing that may be the likely fix. See
>> what you think:
>>
>> A few days ago I cam home to a silent outside unit (no fan no
>> compressor nothing). Found that the 30A breaker was thrown. Turned it
>> back on and it flipped off after a couple seconds. Later I tried it
>> again jsut because I was hot hand had nothing else to think about.
>> This time it worked...the heat pump turned on and ran as if nothing
>> were wrong.
>
> Do you have a wife or anyone else who can turn on the breaker from
> inside while you are outside, listening? Does it pop instantly or
> after some little time? Does the A/C make a humming noise during that
> time?
>
> i
>
>> So I replaced the breaker hoping it was just to weak.
>
> The breaker has to match the A/C, you know.
>
>> Same scenario with it. The AC will run ..on ...off on...off through
>> several cooling cycles then one time it will throw the breaker and
>> that's all she wrote until I go into the crawl space and turn the
>> breaker on again.
>>
>> Other relavent factors: The unit is only 3 years old, Arco Air made by
>> Carrier. And it has been record heat here since just before this
>> began......causing the unit to run very frequently
>>
>
> I dunno, it possibly is not the capacitor. If you have a multimeter
> (as you should) with a capacitance, tester, you can test it (it could
> be bad at 220VAC even if tests OK by the tester, but still it is good
> to test).
>
> Do not assume too much too soon. Could be that something makes the
> motor run harder than it should, for example. Some good investigation
> and careful writing down of the facts could help.
>
> You may need to "hire a pro", eventually, but you would run less of a
> chance of being taken to cleaners if you form a good picture of what
> is going on. Or maybe you can just fix it.

I hate working on stuff *after* some fool (the home owner) has screwed with
it..... thats even worse(and a lot more expensive) that fixing jackleg
screw-ups.
A breaker that trips is NOT a good thing... a breaker is a SAFETY
DEVICE...if it trips, there is a reason.
Call a competent tech to find out WHY the breaker tripped, and get it
repaired correctly.



Posted by wyredog on July 19, 2006, 10:31 pm

Noon-Air wrote:
> >>> In most cases, there is a resistor across the terminals of the
> >>> capacitor, so that it loses its charge in a few minutes (or sooner)
> >>> after being turned off.
> >>>
> >>> You cannot assume that it is the case for YOU without knowing for sure
> >>> (ie, seeing and identifying the bleed resistor).
> >>>
> >>> The first thing to do is to identify two terminals of the
> >>> capacitor. If you cannot do that, safety considerations suggest to put
> >>> everything back and call a "qualified expert". If you see two
> >>> terminals, take an isolated screwdriver by its isolated handle
> >>> (without touching metal) and make sure that you connect two ends of
> >>> the capacitor with the screwdriver.
> >>>
> >>> Most likely (as would be in the case of a bleed resistor), nothing
> >>> would happen, but if the cap holds a charge, you can hear a loud
> >>> discharge. After you make 100% sure that the cap is discharged, it is
> >>> safe to handle it (and if you like to be really careful, you do not
> >>> have to touch the terminals anyway).
> >>>
> >>> Why do you think that you need to replace the caps?
> >>>
> >> Thanks for the info!
> >>
> >> I think the cap is the cheapest thing that may be the likely fix. See
> >> what you think:
> >>
> >> A few days ago I cam home to a silent outside unit (no fan no
> >> compressor nothing). Found that the 30A breaker was thrown. Turned it
> >> back on and it flipped off after a couple seconds. Later I tried it
> >> again jsut because I was hot hand had nothing else to think about.
> >> This time it worked...the heat pump turned on and ran as if nothing
> >> were wrong.
> >
> > Do you have a wife or anyone else who can turn on the breaker from
> > inside while you are outside, listening? Does it pop instantly or
> > after some little time? Does the A/C make a humming noise during that
> > time?
> >
> > i
> >
> >> So I replaced the breaker hoping it was just to weak.
> >
> > The breaker has to match the A/C, you know.
> >
> >> Same scenario with it. The AC will run ..on ...off on...off through
> >> several cooling cycles then one time it will throw the breaker and
> >> that's all she wrote until I go into the crawl space and turn the
> >> breaker on again.
> >>
> >> Other relavent factors: The unit is only 3 years old, Arco Air made by
> >> Carrier. And it has been record heat here since just before this
> >> began......causing the unit to run very frequently
> >>
> >
> > I dunno, it possibly is not the capacitor. If you have a multimeter
> > (as you should) with a capacitance, tester, you can test it (it could
> > be bad at 220VAC even if tests OK by the tester, but still it is good
> > to test).
> >
> > Do not assume too much too soon. Could be that something makes the
> > motor run harder than it should, for example. Some good investigation
> > and careful writing down of the facts could help.
> >
> > You may need to "hire a pro", eventually, but you would run less of a
> > chance of being taken to cleaners if you form a good picture of what
> > is going on. Or maybe you can just fix it.
>
> I hate working on stuff *after* some fool (the home owner) has screwed with
> it..... thats even worse(and a lot more expensive) that fixing jackleg
> screw-ups.
> A breaker that trips is NOT a good thing... a breaker is a SAFETY
> DEVICE...if it trips, there is a reason.
> Call a competent tech to find out WHY the breaker tripped, and get it
> repaired correctly.

" Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
(which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
were good simple places to start


Posted by Ignoramus16532 on July 19, 2006, 11:17 pm
> " Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
> (which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
> stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
> were good simple places to start
>

But what did the professional say, did he give you a coherent
explanation of what he thought was wrong? Did he explain what problems
cause what symptoms?

He may be right, maybe, or maybe he is not, it is good to know
details.

i

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