Home Page link

Problems with air conditioners, etc

HVAC Discussions - Heating, ventilation and air conditioning. 

Page 5 of 11       < 1 2 3 > last >> Bookmark this page:  YahooMyWeb Yahoo!  Google Google  Windows Live Favorites Windows Live  del.icio.us del.icio.us  digg digg  Add to Netscape Netscape
Subject Author Date
Problems with air conditioners, etc Ignoramus18860 07-17-2006
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
Posted by wyredog on July 19, 2006, 11:24 pm
Actually he suggested I replace the cicuit breaker which I did.
Was professional and all...just his company quote book was really high.

He seemed to thing I would need a new compressor. Said I would also
need to replace the dryer and capasitor in order to not void the
warranty on the new compressor.

So I got to thinking...if I am going to pay for a new cap anyway and
the compressor seems to bee running fine just not starting all the time
well why not replace the cap myself and see if that works....Good Lord
I didn't expect the abuse from a few grumpy blokes here. But then I'm
new to the group...Hey thanks for your advice you were one of the few
who offered something useful.

Ignoramus16532 wrote:
> > " Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
> > (which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
> > stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
> > were good simple places to start
> >
>
> But what did the professional say, did he give you a coherent
> explanation of what he thought was wrong? Did he explain what problems
> cause what symptoms?
>
> He may be right, maybe, or maybe he is not, it is good to know
> details.
>
> i


Posted by Ignoramus16532 on July 19, 2006, 11:31 pm
> Actually he suggested I replace the cicuit breaker which I did.
> Was professional and all...just his company quote book was really high.
>
> He seemed to thing I would need a new compressor. Said I would also
> need to replace the dryer and capasitor in order to not void the
> warranty on the new compressor.

What did he say in response to question WHY (why was he suggesting
what he was suggesting). That's what is important. What's his
explanation.

> So I got to thinking...if I am going to pay for a new cap anyway and
> the compressor seems to bee running fine just not starting all the time
> well why not replace the cap myself and see if that works....Good Lord
> I didn't expect the abuse from a few grumpy blokes here. But then I'm
> new to the group...Hey thanks for your advice you were one of the few
> who offered something useful.

Capacitors are cheap, really likely worth less than the value of time
that you spent here discussing your question. But this intermittent
situation does not seem like a capacitor problem.

Did you open up your compressor cover, disconnect, etc, did you try
tracing where is electricity with your multimeter etc?

Do you have a schematic of your unit?

Get yourself a multimeter with a clamp ammeter. Try to be systematic,
I do not see evidence of a systematic thought process/investigation yet.

I see some traces of same mentality "let's start replacing stuff" that
we do not like about some paid "servicepersons". I think that your
advantage here could be having time, persistence and a systematic
approach. Try to use this advantage.

i

> Ignoramus16532 wrote:
>> > " Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
>> > (which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
>> > stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
>> > were good simple places to start
>> >
>>
>> But what did the professional say, did he give you a coherent
>> explanation of what he thought was wrong? Did he explain what problems
>> cause what symptoms?
>>
>> He may be right, maybe, or maybe he is not, it is good to know
>> details.
>>
>> i
>

Posted by wyredog on July 19, 2006, 11:45 pm
Okay...one more time: The professional DID a diagnosis, then gave me a
quote for a new compressor, dryer, and capacitor.

I do not wish to pretend I know what a multi-meter would be telling me.
That is why I had a professional come here. He gave me what seemed
like a really high quote to replace a compressor, etc....($950 mostly
labor)....as I said.

Now I can just shell out lots of money for a new compressor which
doesn't make much sense to me because as I speak the compressor is
cooling my home...Or I can replace a $40 cap first because the prof.
who did the diagnosis said it would need to be replaced if he came to
do the work anyway. Good God what is so hard for "Ma sees me in my
PJ's" to understand about that!

He most likely made a living giving false info to people and ripping
them off becaseu all he seems capable of is redicule to anyone who trys
to tread on his "holy field of expertice"

> Capacitors are cheap, really likely worth less than the value of time
> that you spent here discussing your question. But this intermittent
> situation does not seem like a capacitor problem.
>
> Did you open up your compressor cover, disconnect, etc, did you try
> tracing where is electricity with your multimeter etc?
>
> Do you have a schematic of your unit?
>
> Get yourself a multimeter with a clamp ammeter. Try to be systematic,
> I do not see evidence of a systematic thought process/investigation yet.
>
> I see some traces of same mentality "let's start replacing stuff" that
> we do not like about some paid "servicepersons". I think that your
> advantage here could be having time, persistence and a systematic
> approach. Try to use this advantage.
>
> i
>
> > Ignoramus16532 wrote:
> >> > " Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
> >> > (which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
> >> > stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
> >> > were good simple places to start
> >> >
> >>
> >> But what did the professional say, did he give you a coherent
> >> explanation of what he thought was wrong? Did he explain what problems
> >> cause what symptoms?
> >>
> >> He may be right, maybe, or maybe he is not, it is good to know
> >> details.
> >>
> >> i
> >


Posted by Ignoramus16532 on July 19, 2006, 11:50 pm
> Okay...one more time: The professional DID a diagnosis, then gave me a
> quote for a new compressor, dryer, and capacitor.

And one more time, WHAT DID HE SAY WHEN YOU ASKED HIM WHY HE THINKS
THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

> I do not wish to pretend I know what a multi-meter would be telling me.

That's why it should be used to find out.

> That is why I had a professional come here. He gave me what seemed
> like a really high quote to replace a compressor, etc....($950 mostly
> labor)....as I said.
>
> Now I can just shell out lots of money for a new compressor which
> doesn't make much sense to me because as I speak the compressor is
> cooling my home...Or I can replace a $40 cap first because the prof.
> who did the diagnosis said it would need to be replaced if he came to
> do the work anyway. Good God what is so hard for "Ma sees me in my
> PJ's" to understand about that!

Or you can systematically approach the issue, collect data and form
hypotheses, which you would then test.

> He most likely made a living giving false info to people and ripping
> them off becaseu all he seems capable of is redicule to anyone who trys
> to tread on his "holy field of expertice"

Quite likely, yes, it is very difficult for honest people to stay
competitive in such businesses.

>> Capacitors are cheap, really likely worth less than the value of time
>> that you spent here discussing your question. But this intermittent
>> situation does not seem like a capacitor problem.
>>
>> Did you open up your compressor cover, disconnect, etc, did you try
>> tracing where is electricity with your multimeter etc?
>>
>> Do you have a schematic of your unit?
>>
>> Get yourself a multimeter with a clamp ammeter. Try to be systematic,
>> I do not see evidence of a systematic thought process/investigation yet.
>>
>> I see some traces of same mentality "let's start replacing stuff" that
>> we do not like about some paid "servicepersons". I think that your
>> advantage here could be having time, persistence and a systematic
>> approach. Try to use this advantage.

I think that the above is worth responding to.

i

>> i
>>
>> > Ignoramus16532 wrote:
>> >> > " Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
>> >> > (which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
>> >> > stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
>> >> > were good simple places to start
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> But what did the professional say, did he give you a coherent
>> >> explanation of what he thought was wrong? Did he explain what problems
>> >> cause what symptoms?
>> >>
>> >> He may be right, maybe, or maybe he is not, it is good to know
>> >> details.
>> >>
>> >> i
>> >
>

Posted by wyredog on July 20, 2006, 12:00 am

Ignoramus16532 wrote:
> > Okay...one more time: The professional DID a diagnosis, then gave me a
> > quote for a new compressor, dryer, and capacitor.
>
> And one more time, WHAT DID HE SAY WHEN YOU ASKED HIM WHY HE THINKS
> THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

Thought I answered that...really the only other stuff he said was that
the compressor was pulling 90A and did not kick on so he thought it was
seized.....but then right before he left he was able to get it to kick
on. Can a compressor be shot even though it occationally runs okay? I
thought it would be a go or no go sort of thing.
>
> > I do not wish to pretend I know what a multi-meter would be telling me.
>
> That's why it should be used to find out.

I wouldn't know what to put where or what it would be telling me....All
I know is the AC will run through about 4 or 5 cycle of on and off and
then it will throw a breaker...Really that is all the HVAC prof.
said...Then he checked to see if my comp was under warranty and said it
would be a couple days before it came in....I since had a thrid party
(prof) order the comp and have them holding off on installing it until
I at least try a new cap.

As far as additional diagnosis and forming hypothesis..well I just
don't know enough about it to do more than I have already done..based
on what the profs have said they were going to replace.
> >
> > Now I can just shell out lots of money for a new compressor which
> > doesn't make much sense to me because as I speak the compressor is
> > cooling my home...Or I can replace a $40 cap first because the prof.
> > who did the diagnosis said it would need to be replaced if he came to
> > do the work anyway. Good God what is so hard for "Ma sees me in my
> > PJ's" to understand about that!
>
> Or you can systematically approach the issue, collect data and form
> hypotheses, which you would then test.
>
> > He most likely made a living giving false info to people and ripping
> > them off becaseu all he seems capable of is redicule to anyone who trys
> > to tread on his "holy field of expertice"
>
> Quite likely, yes, it is very difficult for honest people to stay
> competitive in such businesses.
>
> >> Capacitors are cheap, really likely worth less than the value of time
> >> that you spent here discussing your question. But this intermittent
> >> situation does not seem like a capacitor problem.
> >>
> >> Did you open up your compressor cover, disconnect, etc, did you try
> >> tracing where is electricity with your multimeter etc?
> >>
> >> Do you have a schematic of your unit?
> >>
> >> Get yourself a multimeter with a clamp ammeter. Try to be systematic,
> >> I do not see evidence of a systematic thought process/investigation yet.
> >>
> >> I see some traces of same mentality "let's start replacing stuff" that
> >> we do not like about some paid "servicepersons". I think that your
> >> advantage here could be having time, persistence and a systematic
> >> approach. Try to use this advantage.
>
> I think that the above is worth responding to.
>
> i
>
> >> i
> >>
> >> > Ignoramus16532 wrote:
> >> >> > " Professional " wanted to charge me $950 to replace the compressor
> >> >> > (which is under warrranty) and dryer and cap. Schwew...ran the same
> >> >> > stuff by antoher and got a 350 estimate...thought a cap and breaker
> >> >> > were good simple places to start
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But what did the professional say, did he give you a coherent
> >> >> explanation of what he thought was wrong? Did he explain what problems
> >> >> cause what symptoms?
> >> >>
> >> >> He may be right, maybe, or maybe he is not, it is good to know
> >> >> details.
> >> >>
> >> >> i
> >> >
> >


Page 5 of 11       < 1 2 3 > last >>
Similar ThreadsPosted
All you need to know about air conditioners May 24, 2007, 8:23 am
Air conditioners info June 6, 2007, 9:15 am
Re: Central Air Conditioners October 20, 2007, 8:05 am
Both air conditioners stopped working July 16, 2006, 11:58 am
All new models of Mitsubishi air conditioners May 15, 2007, 3:06 pm
Top Air Conditioners Models Reviews June 7, 2007, 11:12 am
Don't this just beat all - Canadian Eskimos want the USA to buy them air conditioners !! March 1, 2007, 5:25 pm
Best Car Air Conditioners from Leading Manufacturers & Suppliers ! May 18, 2007, 5:53 pm
Newest Top Air Conditioners Models - June Market Edition May 27, 2007, 10:31 pm
Is Ranco having problems??? July 7, 2006, 10:26 am

Contact Us | Privacy Policy

XML SitemapXML Sitemap