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Puron vs. R22 in new AC unit mc9874 06-07-2007
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Posted by on June 7, 2007, 4:05 pm
I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.

I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?

>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
technology.

Advice and opinions welcome.
Thanks,
mcnick


Posted by Zephyr on June 7, 2007, 6:08 pm
Get another air conditioning contractor's opinion. R22 and R410 are both
excellent refrigerants. But, time is taking a toll on R22. It will be
around longer than you and I care about, but the cost will be higher. Hell
everything costs more anyway, doesn't it.

And today, most R410 units are more efficient than their older counter
parts.

The R410 units are just as reliable, and more efficient. Soon, the
refrigerant cost for R22 may be higher than R410. Get two more opinions
from contractor's.

--
Zyp

> I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
> and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
> higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
> doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
> the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.
>
> I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
> objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
> stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
> someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
> better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
> would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?
>
> >From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
> don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
> 10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
> technology.
>
> Advice and opinions welcome.
> Thanks,
> mcnick
>



Posted by Noon-Air on June 7, 2007, 6:21 pm

> I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
> and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
> higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
> doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
> the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.

Tell the last guy to go back to school, and learn how to deal with and get
certified for R-410a. In the mean time, look for somebody that actually
knows what they are doing.
In 2 1/2 years, you won't have a choice. Rheem is shutting down their R-22
equipment assembly lines in December 2007.
You can do what you want, but FWIW, I haven't even offered R-22 systems in
the last year. R-22 is gone by the wayside.

> I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
> objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
> stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
> someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
> better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
> would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?

Like I said, by January, 2010, you won't have a choice.

>>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
> don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
> 10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
> technology.

In 2004, the availability of R-22 was reduced by 35% and the wholesale price
tripled. in Jan 2010, R-22 will be cut back an additional 65%, in 2015 R-22
will be cut back another 90%, so in 7 1/2 years, the availability of R-22
will be almost non existent. Yes there are some "drop-in" replacements, but
using them will void any compressor manufacturers warranty. If in 5 years if
your R-22 system needs to be gassed up, be prepared to pay $100/lb or more.

> Advice and opinions welcome.
> Thanks,
> mcnick

There are those on here that would disagree with me, but for the most part
those who do disagree, don't have the training, or hands on experience with
R-410a



Posted by on June 7, 2007, 9:59 pm

>
>> I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
>> and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
>> higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
>> doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
>> the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.
>
>Tell the last guy to go back to school, and learn how to deal with and get
>certified for R-410a. In the mean time, look for somebody that actually
>knows what they are doing.
>In 2 1/2 years, you won't have a choice. Rheem is shutting down their R-22
>equipment assembly lines in December 2007.
>You can do what you want, but FWIW, I haven't even offered R-22 systems in
>the last year. R-22 is gone by the wayside.
>
>> I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
>> objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
>> stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
>> someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
>> better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
>> would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?
>
>Like I said, by January, 2010, you won't have a choice.
>
>>>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
>> don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
>> 10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
>> technology.
>
>In 2004, the availability of R-22 was reduced by 35% and the wholesale price
>tripled. in Jan 2010, R-22 will be cut back an additional 65%, in 2015 R-22
>will be cut back another 90%, so in 7 1/2 years, the availability of R-22
>will be almost non existent. Yes there are some "drop-in" replacements, but
>using them will void any compressor manufacturers warranty. If in 5 years if
>your R-22 system needs to be gassed up, be prepared to pay $100/lb or more.


waaay cool. I'm sittin on 4 pallets of R22. You paying attention
Rich? this is better than the stock market! All the more reason to
keep on installing R22 units!

You do the 410, I'll stay with R22 equipment til there aint no mo. :)






>> Advice and opinions welcome.
>> Thanks,
>> mcnick
>
>There are those on here that would disagree with me, but for the most part
>those who do disagree, don't have the training, or hands on experience with
>R-410a
>


Posted by Zephyr on June 8, 2007, 8:57 pm
Hey Go fish! Great to hear you have 4 pallets of the stuff. What's that,
6,000 lb.s? What's your phone number?

--
Zyp

>
> >
> >> I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
> >> and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
> >> higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
> >> doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
> >> the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.
> >
> >Tell the last guy to go back to school, and learn how to deal with and
get
> >certified for R-410a. In the mean time, look for somebody that actually
> >knows what they are doing.
> >In 2 1/2 years, you won't have a choice. Rheem is shutting down their
R-22
> >equipment assembly lines in December 2007.
> >You can do what you want, but FWIW, I haven't even offered R-22 systems
in
> >the last year. R-22 is gone by the wayside.
> >
> >> I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
> >> objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
> >> stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
> >> someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
> >> better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
> >> would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?
> >
> >Like I said, by January, 2010, you won't have a choice.
> >
> >>>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
> >> don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
> >> 10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
> >> technology.
> >
> >In 2004, the availability of R-22 was reduced by 35% and the wholesale
price
> >tripled. in Jan 2010, R-22 will be cut back an additional 65%, in 2015
R-22
> >will be cut back another 90%, so in 7 1/2 years, the availability of R-22
> >will be almost non existent. Yes there are some "drop-in" replacements,
but
> >using them will void any compressor manufacturers warranty. If in 5 years
if
> >your R-22 system needs to be gassed up, be prepared to pay $100/lb or
more.
>
>
> waaay cool. I'm sittin on 4 pallets of R22. You paying attention
> Rich? this is better than the stock market! All the more reason to
> keep on installing R22 units!
>
> You do the 410, I'll stay with R22 equipment til there aint no mo. :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Advice and opinions welcome.
> >> Thanks,
> >> mcnick
> >
> >There are those on here that would disagree with me, but for the most
part
> >those who do disagree, don't have the training, or hands on experience
with
> >R-410a
> >
>



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