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Puron vs. R22 in new AC unit mc9874 06-07-2007
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Posted by Zephyr on June 14, 2007, 11:15 am
Speaking of.... not only are refrigerants changing... but....

Does everyone know that their analog T.V. will be junk come 2009? All of
the broadcast stations will be converting 100% to digital. If you want to
keep your analog T.V., it'll cost ya. You'll have to purchase a
'converter.'

--
Zyp

>
> >
> >>
> >>> I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
> >>> and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
> >>> higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
> >>> doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
> >>> the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.
> >>
> >>Tell the last guy to go back to school, and learn how to deal with and
get
> >>certified for R-410a. In the mean time, look for somebody that actually
> >>knows what they are doing.
> >>In 2 1/2 years, you won't have a choice. Rheem is shutting down their
R-22
> >>equipment assembly lines in December 2007.
> >
> > oh but we will have a choice. watch rheems market share plummet.
>
> You will have a choice until January 2010
>
> > personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
> > idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
>
> I don't know of any customers that are excited about the rising cost of
R-22
> either. Until 2000, the customer didn't have a choice, it was R-22 or
> nothing.
>
> > with you putting all your eggs in rheems basket, it sounds to me like
> > you're the one without many choices ! :)
>
> I could sell lesser brands also(Payne, Bryant, Luxaire, Armstrong, etc),
but
> why would I want to??...... The other brands cost the same.
>
> >>You can do what you want, but FWIW, I haven't even offered R-22 systems
in
> >>the last year. R-22 is gone by the wayside.
> >
> > along with all the potential cutomers you passed up by not offering
> > them a choice!!
>
> The only ones I am passing up are the ones that want it cheap. In the last
6
> months there have been several contractors go out of business because they
> were selling 13 SEER equipment at 10 SEER prices.... there will be more to
> follow.
>
> >>> I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
> >>> objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
> >>> stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
> >>> someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
> >>> better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
> >>> would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?
> >>
> >>Like I said, by January, 2010, you won't have a choice.
> >>
> >>>>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
> >>> don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
> >>> 10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
> >>> technology.
> >>
> >>In 2004, the availability of R-22 was reduced by 35% and the wholesale
> >>price
> >>tripled. in Jan 2010, R-22 will be cut back an additional 65%, in 2015
> >>R-22
> >>will be cut back another 90%, so in 7 1/2 years, the availability of
R-22
> >>will be almost non existent. Yes there are some "drop-in" replacements,
> >>but
> >>using them will void any compressor manufacturers warranty. If in 5
years
> >>if
> >>your R-22 system needs to be gassed up, be prepared to pay $100/lb or
> >>more.
> >>
> >>> Advice and opinions welcome.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> mcnick
> >>
> >>There are those on here that would disagree with me, but for the most
part
> >>those who do disagree, don't have the training, or hands on experience
> >>with
> >>R-410a
> >>
> > what a bullshit statement. sad that you have to resort to statements
> > such as that to defend your position.
>
> I said "for the most part", *NOT* "everybody", and certainly not everybody
> on here.
>
>



Posted by Noon-Air on June 14, 2007, 11:50 am
I knew that..... already got it covered :-)

> Speaking of.... not only are refrigerants changing... but....
>
> Does everyone know that their analog T.V. will be junk come 2009? All of
> the broadcast stations will be converting 100% to digital. If you want to
> keep your analog T.V., it'll cost ya. You'll have to purchase a
> 'converter.'
>
> --
> Zyp
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
>> >>> and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
>> >>> higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
>> >>> doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he
>> >>> said
>> >>> the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.
>> >>
>> >>Tell the last guy to go back to school, and learn how to deal with and
> get
>> >>certified for R-410a. In the mean time, look for somebody that actually
>> >>knows what they are doing.
>> >>In 2 1/2 years, you won't have a choice. Rheem is shutting down their
> R-22
>> >>equipment assembly lines in December 2007.
>> >
>> > oh but we will have a choice. watch rheems market share plummet.
>>
>> You will have a choice until January 2010
>>
>> > personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
>> > idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
>>
>> I don't know of any customers that are excited about the rising cost of
> R-22
>> either. Until 2000, the customer didn't have a choice, it was R-22 or
>> nothing.
>>
>> > with you putting all your eggs in rheems basket, it sounds to me like
>> > you're the one without many choices ! :)
>>
>> I could sell lesser brands also(Payne, Bryant, Luxaire, Armstrong, etc),
> but
>> why would I want to??...... The other brands cost the same.
>>
>> >>You can do what you want, but FWIW, I haven't even offered R-22 systems
> in
>> >>the last year. R-22 is gone by the wayside.
>> >
>> > along with all the potential cutomers you passed up by not offering
>> > them a choice!!
>>
>> The only ones I am passing up are the ones that want it cheap. In the
>> last
> 6
>> months there have been several contractors go out of business because
>> they
>> were selling 13 SEER equipment at 10 SEER prices.... there will be more
>> to
>> follow.
>>
>> >>> I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
>> >>> objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I
>> >>> may
>> >>> stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
>> >>> someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
>> >>> better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
>> >>> would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, by January, 2010, you won't have a choice.
>> >>
>> >>>>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
>> >>> don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
>> >>> 10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
>> >>> technology.
>> >>
>> >>In 2004, the availability of R-22 was reduced by 35% and the wholesale
>> >>price
>> >>tripled. in Jan 2010, R-22 will be cut back an additional 65%, in 2015
>> >>R-22
>> >>will be cut back another 90%, so in 7 1/2 years, the availability of
> R-22
>> >>will be almost non existent. Yes there are some "drop-in" replacements,
>> >>but
>> >>using them will void any compressor manufacturers warranty. If in 5
> years
>> >>if
>> >>your R-22 system needs to be gassed up, be prepared to pay $100/lb or
>> >>more.
>> >>
>> >>> Advice and opinions welcome.
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> mcnick
>> >>
>> >>There are those on here that would disagree with me, but for the most
> part
>> >>those who do disagree, don't have the training, or hands on experience
>> >>with
>> >>R-410a
>> >>
>> > what a bullshit statement. sad that you have to resort to statements
>> > such as that to defend your position.
>>
>> I said "for the most part", *NOT* "everybody", and certainly not
>> everybody
>> on here.
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Bill on June 14, 2007, 3:24 pm

> Speaking of.... not only are refrigerants changing... but....
>
> Does everyone know that their analog T.V. will be junk come 2009? All of
> the broadcast stations will be converting 100% to digital. If you want to
> keep your analog T.V., it'll cost ya. You'll have to purchase a
> 'converter.'

It keeps changing. As of right now. They are gonna wait till all the
people who have the 1950 9" black and white model of TV dies so they
aren't deprived of viewing. Meaning there is no firm date anymore.
AARP is actually fighting the change over. A few screwing it up for the
majority again.
They have an old black and white they need to swap back to radio. sheesh

--
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml

Posted by Tony Hwang on June 14, 2007, 11:12 am
gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

>
>
>>
>>>I'm replacing my central air and have gotten estimates for one w/R22
>>>and one w/ Puron. The last guy said he'd go w/R22 because of the
>>>higher costs of 410A and that it would cost more to repair. Also, he
>>>doesn't like it because of the higher pressure it's under, and he said
>>>the units were less reliable and would have more costly repairs.
>>
>>Tell the last guy to go back to school, and learn how to deal with and get
>>certified for R-410a. In the mean time, look for somebody that actually
>>knows what they are doing.
>>In 2 1/2 years, you won't have a choice. Rheem is shutting down their R-22
>>equipment assembly lines in December 2007.
>
>
> oh but we will have a choice. watch rheems market share plummet.
>
> personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
> idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
>
> with you putting all your eggs in rheems basket, it sounds to me like
> you're the one without many choices ! :)
>
>
>
>>You can do what you want, but FWIW, I haven't even offered R-22 systems in
>>the last year. R-22 is gone by the wayside.
>
>
> along with all the potential cutomers you passed up by not offering
> them a choice!!
>
>
>>>I've looked at past posts, googled for info, but it's hard to get an
>>>objective opinion. I'm in Georgia so the AC gets a lot of use. I may
>>>stay in the house only 3 more years, and the repairs/costs would be
>>>someone else's headache, but then again, would the 410A unit be a
>>>better selling point in 2010? And if I end up staying until 2020,
>>>would I have to replace the AC again to the newer refrigerant?
>>
>>Like I said, by January, 2010, you won't have a choice.
>>
>>
>>>>From what I've read so far, R22 will be around for a long time, but I
>>>don't want to be buying a dinosaur I may be living with for the next
>>>10-15 years and which may ultimately cost more due to older
>>>technology.
>>
>>In 2004, the availability of R-22 was reduced by 35% and the wholesale price
>>tripled. in Jan 2010, R-22 will be cut back an additional 65%, in 2015 R-22
>>will be cut back another 90%, so in 7 1/2 years, the availability of R-22
>>will be almost non existent. Yes there are some "drop-in" replacements, but
>>using them will void any compressor manufacturers warranty. If in 5 years if
>>your R-22 system needs to be gassed up, be prepared to pay $100/lb or more.
>>
>>
>>>Advice and opinions welcome.
>>>Thanks,
>>>mcnick
>>
>>There are those on here that would disagree with me, but for the most part
>>those who do disagree, don't have the training, or hands on experience with
>>R-410a
>>
>
> what a bullshit statement. sad that you have to resort to statements
> such as that to defend your position.
Hi,
isn't it like trying to sell a car with a carburetor in the days of fuel
injection? I went with Puron no brainer.

Posted by Bill on June 14, 2007, 3:38 pm

> isn't it like trying to sell a car with a carburetor in the days of fuel
> injection? I went with Puron no brainer.

Oil is the problem. R-22 is the better choice because of it.
The POE oil is composed of alcohol, carboxylic acid and an inhibitor
with water as a by-product. (Why it's Hygroscopic)
Moisture or high temperatures can break the oil down and it will revert
back to alcohol and carboxylic acid.
Industry is trying to find a different oil.
The pressure sucks too.

--
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml

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