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Posted by Michael Shell on June 14, 2007, 2:35 pm
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:59:24 GMT
gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
> personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
> idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
Not to worry. I bet we'll eventually be going back to good old propane
(R-290) and other hydrocarbons. Propane is a (currently illegal in the
USA) drop in replacement for R-22.
http://www.memagazine.org/jan07/features/rebirth/rebirth.html
"Europeans, especially in the north, tend to see air conditioning as a
luxury, and home air conditioning units are simply not the norm. Perhaps
for this reason they are less concerned about the flammability and
toxicity issues that have stymied the expansion of propane and ammonia
use in the United States. In Switzerland, 50 percent of residential heat
pumps currently run on propane, and in Germany nearly 100 percent of
refrigerator/freezers run on isobutane."
In addition to being dirt cheap, environmentally sound, and potentially
more efficient than chlorine and/or fluorine based refrigerants
(http://www.mtprog.com/ApprovedBriefingNotes/pdf.aspx?intBriefingNoteID=482),
hydrocarbons work like hand and glove with standard oils and have none
of the acid forming properties (and are therefore more tolerant of moisture)
of the mainstream refrigerants of today.
So, people with R-22 units already have an alternative - just not
one that is legal, or agreeable to service techs who like to smoke
on the job. ;)
Of course, people are easily scared to death of 5 lbs of flammable
gas in their A/C tubes. Many of these same people then store gas
grills with 30 lb propane cylinders in their garage without worry.
Mike Shell
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Posted by on June 14, 2007, 2:44 pm
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:35:11 -0400, Michael Shell
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:59:24 GMT
>gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
>> personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
>> idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
>
>
>Not to worry. I bet we'll eventually be going back to good old propane
>(R-290) and other hydrocarbons. Propane is a (currently illegal in the
>USA) drop in replacement for R-22.
>
>http://www.memagazine.org/jan07/features/rebirth/rebirth.html
>
>"Europeans, especially in the north, tend to see air conditioning as a
> luxury,
Bathing, too.
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Posted by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on June 14, 2007, 2:49 pm
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:59:24 GMT
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
>> personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
>> idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
>
>
> Not to worry. I bet we'll eventually be going back to good old propane
> (R-290) and other hydrocarbons. Propane is a (currently illegal in the
> USA) drop in replacement for R-22.
I only skimmed the article, but nowhere did I see that propane is a "drop in
replacement for R-22".
I don't have the P/T/V charts for propane. So can someone with real
experience, like kj or noon answer?
Is it? And if it is, what sort of impact would it have on the business if
some agency suddenly said, "HEY! Let's legalize propane for R-22 repairs!"?
LLoyd
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Posted by Bill on June 14, 2007, 3:12 pm
> Is it? And if it is, what sort of impact would it have on the business if
> some agency suddenly said, "HEY! Let's legalize propane for R-22 repairs!"?
Ignore the environuts. They neglect to mention that europe uses the
little dorm refrigerators and don't hold as much as ours. They could
give a shit about safety or anything else. It's all about "natural"
refrigerant. Their goal is to eventually have us all living in mud huts.
Screw europe. Our ancestors left that backwards cesspool.
This won't be the last time you see one of these idiots posting the same
dribble.
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Posted by kool on June 14, 2007, 4:03 pm
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:59:24 GMT
>> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>>
>>> personally I don't know of any consumers who are excited about the
>>> idea of not having a choice, regardless of what the product is.
>>
>>
>> Not to worry. I bet we'll eventually be going back to good old propane
>> (R-290) and other hydrocarbons. Propane is a (currently illegal in the
>> USA) drop in replacement for R-22.
>
> I only skimmed the article, but nowhere did I see that propane is a "drop
> in replacement for R-22".
>
> I don't have the P/T/V charts for propane. So can someone with real
> experience, like kj or noon answer?
>
> Is it? And if it is, what sort of impact would it have on the business if
> some agency suddenly said, "HEY! Let's legalize propane for R-22
> repairs!"?
>
> LLoyd
I worked on a freezer fishing boat a few years ago that had a self contained
deck freezer with two ten ton 208/3 Manurope R22 hermetic compressors,
running on Propane as the refrigerant.
Went to the Chevron and got a twenty pounder to top up one circuit and
pressures were in the R22 range. Charged it till the SG cleared and left
real quick. Found out after that automotive propane may have moisture in it.
I wouldn't want to be on board if they had a severe burnout that blows the
terminals off that tincan.
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