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Posted by Michael Shell on June 15, 2007, 1:35 pm
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:49:27 -0400
> Is it? And if it is, what sort of impact would it have on the business if
> some agency suddenly said, "HEY! Let's legalize propane for R-22 repairs!"?
Probably not any significant degree. If anything, the ever increasing
complexity of HVAC systems will ensure that HVAC techs will be in great
demand, irrespective of the type of refrigerant (even if it was air).
Furthermore, if an average Joe should attempt to load in moisture-laden
non-refrigerant grade "BBQ gas" into his system, there will be plenty of
business for those with vacuum pumps to clean it all up. Finally, the
flammability concerns will scare some (and perhaps rightfully so) to
"leave all A/C work to the experts".
I could even envision profitable and worthy "inspect your evaporator
now before it leaks and becomes a blow torch" campaigns.
The ever changing "Freon" by Dupont et al. is only for *their* business
interest. IMHO, if anything, the every increasing demands on HVAC techs
to purchase new equipment raises the cost of doing business and reduces
their bottom line. I don't have any hard numbers on this, maybe someone
else that does could verify, or debunk, this opinion.
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:03:58 -0400
> Although it might contain moisture, it's a pretty sure bet they don't mix
> air with the propane you buy. In fact, that's why you must pay to have a
> new tank purged.
Yeah, there better not be air or moisture in there. I don't have any
data, but I assume that any oxygen in a propane laden environment will
eventually react with the propane (as I think is the case for
propane/methane released into the atmosphere, although it might take
about a decade to oxidize). Of course, water and CO2 are the by-products.
Refrigerant grade propane will have to be much more pure than run
of the mill "BBQ gas". In some places, common propane has a lot of
other hydrocarbons mixed in (butane, etc.).
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:24:12 -0400
> It keeps changing. As of right now. They are gonna wait till all the
> people who have the 1950 9" black and white model of TV dies so they
> aren't deprived of viewing.
It really doesn't matter. Digital or not, I've come to the conclusion
that there is not anything on worth a darn anyway. Hi-res crap is still
crap. The only reason they are pushing it quickly is because there are
some big players that want to use the current TV spectrum for something
else. None of it has anything to do with what people want as far as TV
goes.
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:12:51 -0400
> Ignore the environuts. They neglect to mention that europe uses the
> little dorm refrigerators and don't hold as much as ours. They could
> give a shit about safety or anything else. It's all about "natural"
> refrigerant. Their goal is to eventually have us all living in mud huts.
> Screw europe. Our ancestors left that backwards cesspool.
> This won't be the last time you see one of these idiots posting the same
> dribble.
I agree with you that Europe is under the spell of environuts - and we do
have our share of them here. For example, to ban R-22 on the basis of
it being a greenhouse gas is insane to the say the least - consider for
example the amount, in lbs, of methane that comes out of the average
person's rear (or as a result of beef production) versus how much R-22
their A/C leaks annually. In light of this, R-22 is a non-issue. However,
we in the USA have our own, different, brand of nuts ("safety nuts",
"greedy nuts", "stupid nuts"). All of these "useful idiots" are just
drones to be exploited by intelligent powerful interests who know better.
As far as us having broken away from and being superior to Europe goes,
I used to believe this, but I think the internal problems of our once
great USA are growing so fast, and becoming so obvious, that I fear we
are no longer the envy of the world, but rather becoming a laughing-stock.
:(
Mike Shell
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Posted by Michael Shell on June 15, 2007, 1:45 pm
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:35:39 -0400
> I could even envision profitable and worthy "inspect your evaporator
> now before it leaks and becomes a blow torch" campaigns.
Oh, and something else. These days, people can "ignore" leaks and
keep topping with refridgerent. However, given the odorant in propane,
I'm pretty sure that getting a faint whiff of "gas" every now and
then when the A/C starts would encourage them to go ahead and replace
the leaky evaporator.
Mike
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Posted by Bill on June 15, 2007, 4:01 pm
> As far as us having broken away from and being superior to Europe goes,
> I used to believe this, but I think the internal problems of our once
> great USA are growing so fast, and becoming so obvious, that I fear we
> are no longer the envy of the world, but rather becoming a laughing-stock.
If the ones who think we should be like europe would pack their
suitcases and go there. The improvement would be phenomenal.
Based on the last 250 years I think the case has been made that they'd
do better emulating us.
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