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R-Value of Foil Bubble Wrap? TomD 09-18-2007
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Posted by U-Hate-Me on September 19, 2007, 7:04 pm

>
> So when you make the statement..............
> " A given piece of insulating material has a given R value, period. "
> You are taking a very simplistic view of insulation.
>
> So............... " Try not to be a fucking tard "

"You're a towel"



Posted by TomD on September 19, 2007, 6:08 am
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:43:01 -0000, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>
>> what is the value of foil bubble wrap?. AC installer wants to use it.
>> is it any good? if not what should i use? Duct work is in the attic
>> with fairly long runs, over 40ft. I am in the NY / NJ area.
>
----------Snip----------------------
>It's a poor insulator for the purpose of acting as a barrier between
>different air temperatures, dropping down to an R-2 value in that
>service.
>
>LLoyd
>
Then I gather, Foil Bubble Wrap Insulation is not effective for A/C
ducts, which are located in the attic. Temp there can be well over 100
degrees. Is this a correct interpellation? What is the best
reasonable priced material to use for duct work trunk lines?. I do
realize you get what you pay for. Thanks

Posted by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on September 19, 2007, 7:45 am
> Then I gather, Foil Bubble Wrap Insulation is not effective for A/C
> ducts, which are located in the attic. Temp there can be well over 100
> degrees. Is this a correct interpellation? What is the best
> reasonable priced material to use for duct work trunk lines?. I do
> realize you get what you pay for. Thanks

You didn't describe the ducting. If it's made-up metalwork, you'd
_better_ get some insulation on it. Most residential work seems to end
up as flex or ductboard, primarily because it requires much less skill to
install than metal. Most installers don't have the skills to make custom
metal. Typically, they're using pre-fabbed components, and just hooking
them up.

Flex duct and ductboard are already insulated to one degree or another.
Older stuff was about R-2.5; new material is usually R-6.

You have two primary insulation issues to deal with, and an ancillary
one. The first is the air temperature in the attic. That requires
thermal insulation -- foam, fiberglass batt, or fiberglass pressed board.
The second is radiant (IR) energy booming down from the roof surface.
That requires a radiant barrier film. It's best placed on the underside
of the attic rafters, but flex duct can have it as the outer barrier
layer (Silvaflex, etc). Most ductboard typically has an aluminum radiant
barrier outer layer.

The third issue is to provide some sort of vapor barrier between the
potentially humid attic space and the cool outer surface of the duct
liner. Again, flex and ductboard accommodate this with the outer barrier
layer, which, if it's taped and mastic'd properly will keep out moisture.
Metalwork must be properly wrapped and sealed to prevent moisture
traveling to the cool surface, and condensing there. If the thermal
insulation layer gets wet, the R value essentially drops to nada in the
wet areas.

Commercial work in our area uses either a wrapped fiberglass batt topped
off with a continuous layer of mastic, or a spray-on foam material.

The foam is a superior insulator AND moisture barrier combined, but for
commercial installs (here), it must be covered with intumescent paint in
order to meet fire codes.

You have a lot of options -- but first it boils down to the original
question; What type of ducting do you have?

LLoyd

Posted by Bob Pietrangelo on September 19, 2007, 7:09 pm
There are local and national codes that determine your minimum duct
insulation in an unconditioned space. There are lots of ways to achieve it.

--
Bob Pietrangelo
bobp3@comcast.net (home)
bob@comfort-solution.biz (work)
www.comfort-solution.biz





"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
>> Then I gather, Foil Bubble Wrap Insulation is not effective for A/C
>> ducts, which are located in the attic. Temp there can be well over 100
>> degrees. Is this a correct interpellation? What is the best
>> reasonable priced material to use for duct work trunk lines?. I do
>> realize you get what you pay for. Thanks
>
> You didn't describe the ducting. If it's made-up metalwork, you'd
> _better_ get some insulation on it. Most residential work seems to end
> up as flex or ductboard, primarily because it requires much less skill to
> install than metal. Most installers don't have the skills to make custom
> metal. Typically, they're using pre-fabbed components, and just hooking
> them up.
>
> Flex duct and ductboard are already insulated to one degree or another.
> Older stuff was about R-2.5; new material is usually R-6.
>
> You have two primary insulation issues to deal with, and an ancillary
> one. The first is the air temperature in the attic. That requires
> thermal insulation -- foam, fiberglass batt, or fiberglass pressed board.
> The second is radiant (IR) energy booming down from the roof surface.
> That requires a radiant barrier film. It's best placed on the underside
> of the attic rafters, but flex duct can have it as the outer barrier
> layer (Silvaflex, etc). Most ductboard typically has an aluminum radiant
> barrier outer layer.
>
> The third issue is to provide some sort of vapor barrier between the
> potentially humid attic space and the cool outer surface of the duct
> liner. Again, flex and ductboard accommodate this with the outer barrier
> layer, which, if it's taped and mastic'd properly will keep out moisture.
> Metalwork must be properly wrapped and sealed to prevent moisture
> traveling to the cool surface, and condensing there. If the thermal
> insulation layer gets wet, the R value essentially drops to nada in the
> wet areas.
>
> Commercial work in our area uses either a wrapped fiberglass batt topped
> off with a continuous layer of mastic, or a spray-on foam material.
>
> The foam is a superior insulator AND moisture barrier combined, but for
> commercial installs (here), it must be covered with intumescent paint in
> order to meet fire codes.
>
> You have a lot of options -- but first it boils down to the original
> question; What type of ducting do you have?
>
> LLoyd



Posted by -zero on September 18, 2007, 1:51 pm

> what is the value of foil bubble wrap?. AC installer wants to use it.
> is it any good? if not what should i use? Duct work is in the attic
> with fairly long runs, over 40ft. I am in the NY / NJ area.

Here's a quasi-related study report performed in Canada.

I wouldn't use it as a first choice for anything. YMMV.

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/odpub/pdf/63728.pdf


-zero



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