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Re: Bi-Flow Clean-up Filter Driers in Inverter Splits Old & Grumpy 03-01-2008
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Posted by on March 3, 2008, 9:07 am
wrote:

>On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:16:25 -0800 (PST), "Marc O'Brien"
>
>>>
>>> As for the Sporlan dude., ok, he worked / or works for Sporlan.  Does that

        You still don't get it. His title was 'Chief Design
Engineeer'. All the other little engineers reported to him. He
didn't 'just work there'.

>>> mean his bosses wanted him to publicly say you can do what their literature
>>> publicly says you shouldn't?  If they did, then it would be published in
>>> their literature.

        Andy WROTE that literature. Quite literally - one of his
tasks was writing all Sporlan product literature ( or, at a minimum,
approving it after his staff did the grunt work ).

>>But Andy doesn't say publicly that you can do it. He says publicly
>>that you can do it conditionally.
>
>Say it or not........Id just like to see it. Ive been doing this for
>about 27 years now and cant say that Ive ever seen a drier in the hot
>gas discharge. Ive worked on up to 100 ton units and down to the small
>resi chit and cant say Ive ever seen one installed there.
>Pictures man, pictures. Where are they?
>Bubba

        I was suprised as hell when I changed the compressor on my
Rheem heat pump a few years ago - I assumed on first glance that the
thing hanging off the compressor that LOOKED like a muffler, WAS a
muffler. Until I read the label on it. It was a drier.

        As Andy says ( I take his word for it ), York apparently has
been doing it for a long time, too. Most likely on the resi lines, I
would guess.


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Posted by Zyp on March 3, 2008, 11:46 am
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:16:25 -0800 (PST), "Marc O'Brien"
>>
>>>>
>>>> As for the Sporlan dude., ok, he worked / or works for Sporlan.
>>>> Does that
>
> You still don't get it. His title was 'Chief Design
> Engineeer'. All the other little engineers reported to him. He
> didn't 'just work there'.
>
>>>> mean his bosses wanted him to publicly say you can do what their
>>>> literature publicly says you shouldn't? If they did, then it would
>>>> be published in their literature.
>
> Andy WROTE that literature. Quite literally - one of his
> tasks was writing all Sporlan product literature ( or, at a minimum,
> approving it after his staff did the grunt work ).
>
>>> But Andy doesn't say publicly that you can do it. He says publicly
>>> that you can do it conditionally.
>>
>> Say it or not........Id just like to see it. Ive been doing this for
>> about 27 years now and cant say that Ive ever seen a drier in the hot
>> gas discharge. Ive worked on up to 100 ton units and down to the
>> small resi chit and cant say Ive ever seen one installed there.
>> Pictures man, pictures. Where are they?
>> Bubba
>
> I was suprised as hell when I changed the compressor on my
> Rheem heat pump a few years ago - I assumed on first glance that the
> thing hanging off the compressor that LOOKED like a muffler, WAS a
> muffler. Until I read the label on it. It was a drier.
>
> As Andy says ( I take his word for it ), York apparently has
> been doing it for a long time, too. Most likely on the resi lines, I
> would guess.
>
>
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> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Well Paul;

I concede to the fact that:

1. A quick phone call confirms YORK Mfg. "is" placing filter driers in the
hot gas discharge [and apparently not more than 6" away from the compressor]
which lends itself to a new quandary. [Albeit heat pumps.]

2. Rheem as well is installing filters there as well.

But professionally, I'd never install one there. It's my company's $$$$
laid out if something goes wrong. I end up paying the bill and not Rheem or
York for that matter.

Installing a filter drier in that location lends itself to NOT removing any
moisture. [Too warm] It would in fact, become a oil strainer and may become
clogged to a condition that the tech wouldn't see [forgiving that fact that
high amperage draw on the compressor may suggest a clogged filter]. You
can't check it in that location.

So if the desiccant failed from high discharge temperatures, and, as a
result became clogged with thickened oil [from the higher compression
ratio's], you wouldn't know it until the compressor stalled or the internal
relief valve opened. Not a pretty picture if you asked me.

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Posted by on March 3, 2008, 11:23 pm
wrote:

>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:16:25 -0800 (PST), "Marc O'Brien"
>>>
>>>>> As for the Sporlan dude., ok, he worked / or works for Sporlan. Does that
>>
>>         You still don't get it. His title was 'Chief Design
>> Engineeer'. All the other little engineers reported to him. He
>> didn't 'just work there'.
>
>
>Meaning of course if he didn't agree with their marketing..He would
>still get a Gold Star?

        He helped DECIDE their marketing. And he was IN CHARGE of
handing out the Gold Stars. If he said something in their literature
or marketing was wrong - it got changed.

>>         As Andy says ( I take his word for it ), York apparently has
>> been doing it for a long time, too. Most likely on the resi lines, I
>> would guess.
>
>I don't disagree.. But I always question when a researcher beats his
>chest and says this is wonderful because I say so. I want to see the
>real deal for my self.

        No one said it was 'wonderful', only that it can be done, in
fact IS done, and is not precluded by the manufacturer ( Sporlan ) or
the major users of their products ( York Rheem, etc ). This was
brought up to counteract the false statements that 'it can not be
done' and 'should never be done'.

        And Andy was not a 'researcher', he was the guy doing the
nitty-gritty techy end of designing Sporlan's products. And writing
the literature for them. And dealing with the problems that were too
difficult for everyone else to figure out. And heading their
delegation to all the major trade shows, every year, year after year.
And sitting on ASHRAE committees for refrigeration. etc etc etc.



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Posted by Noon-Air on March 4, 2008, 8:11 am

>>>>>> As for the Sporlan dude., ok, he worked / or works for Sporlan. Does
>>>>>> that
>>>
>>> You still don't get it. His title was 'Chief Design
>>> Engineeer'. All the other little engineers reported to him. He
>>> didn't 'just work there'.
>>
>>
>>Meaning of course if he didn't agree with their marketing..He would
>>still get a Gold Star?
>
> He helped DECIDE their marketing. And he was IN CHARGE of
> handing out the Gold Stars. If he said something in their literature
> or marketing was wrong - it got changed.
>
>>> As Andy says ( I take his word for it ), York apparently has
>>> been doing it for a long time, too. Most likely on the resi lines, I
>>> would guess.
>>
>>I don't disagree.. But I always question when a researcher beats his
>>chest and says this is wonderful because I say so. I want to see the
>>real deal for my self.
>
> No one said it was 'wonderful', only that it can be done, in
> fact IS done, and is not precluded by the manufacturer ( Sporlan ) or
> the major users of their products ( York Rheem, etc ). This was
> brought up to counteract the false statements that 'it can not be
> done' and 'should never be done'.
>
> And Andy was not a 'researcher', he was the guy doing the
> nitty-gritty techy end of designing Sporlan's products. And writing
> the literature for them. And dealing with the problems that were too
> difficult for everyone else to figure out. And heading their
> delegation to all the major trade shows, every year, year after year.
> And sitting on ASHRAE committees for refrigeration. etc etc etc.

What ever happened to Andy?? haven't heard from him in a while.



Posted by on March 4, 2008, 8:24 am
wrote:

>
>What ever happened to Andy?? haven't heard from him in a while.
>

        He's at Parker now.


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