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Re: Bi-Flow Clean-up Filter Driers in Inverter Splits Old & Grumpy 03-01-2008
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Posted by Noon-Air on March 4, 2008, 8:38 am

> wrote:
>
>>
>>What ever happened to Andy?? haven't heard from him in a while.
>>
>
> He's at Parker now.

Doesn't mean that he can't come say hi once in a while.



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Posted by Zyp on March 2, 2008, 6:29 pm
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was
>>> rather short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the filter
>>> had swollowed a pizza pie.
>>>
>>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher A. Young
>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>> www.lds.org
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>>
>> Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a
>> suction line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a high
>> in carbon filter drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>>
>> For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is highly
>> NOT recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas discharge
>> line. Only in the liquid or suction lines.
>
> Not true. In fact, many units come stock with exactly that.
> And no, I don't mean the mufflers.
>
> Sporlan and Alco both approve them for discharge use.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Where in this catalog are "hot gas filter driers?"

http://www.parker.com/literature/Literature%20Files//Parker.com/Literature/Aftermarket%20AC%20and%20Refrigeration%20Division/PDF%20Files/Catalogs/Filter%20Driers%20Catalog%20A-1Pdf%202007.pdf

--
Zyp



Posted by on March 2, 2008, 6:57 pm

>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was
>>>> rather short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the filter
>>>> had swollowed a pizza pie.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>>>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>> www.lds.org
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>>>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>>>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>>>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>>>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>>>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>>>
>>> Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a
>>> suction line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a high
>>> in carbon filter drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>>>
>>> For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is highly
>>> NOT recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas discharge
>>> line. Only in the liquid or suction lines.
>>
>> Not true. In fact, many units come stock with exactly that.
>> And no, I don't mean the mufflers.
>>
>> Sporlan and Alco both approve them for discharge use.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>>
>> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
>> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
>
>Where in this catalog are "hot gas filter driers?"
>
>http://www.parker.com/literature/Literature%20Files//Parker.com/Literature/Aftermarket%20AC%20and%20Refrigeration%20Division/PDF%20Files/Catalogs/Filter%20Driers%20Catalog%20A-1Pdf%202007.pdf

        Where does it say 'you can not put the drier in the discharge
line' ?


--
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Posted by Zyp on March 2, 2008, 7:29 pm
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was
>>>>> rather short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the
>>>>> filter had swollowed a pizza pie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>>>>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>>> www.lds.org
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>>>>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>>>>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>>>>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>>>>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>>>>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>>>>
>>>> Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a
>>>> suction line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a high
>>>> in carbon filter drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>>>>
>>>> For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is
>>>> highly NOT recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas
>>>> discharge line. Only in the liquid or suction lines.
>>>
>>> Not true. In fact, many units come stock with exactly that.
>>> And no, I don't mean the mufflers.
>>>
>>> Sporlan and Alco both approve them for discharge use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>>> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>>>
>>> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>>> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>>> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
>>> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>>> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
>>
>> Where in this catalog are "hot gas filter driers?"
>>
>>
http://www.parker.com/literature/Literature%20Files//Parker.com/Literature/Aftermarket%20AC%20and%20Refrigeration%20Division/PDF%20Files/Catalogs/Filter%20Driers%20Catalog%20A-1Pdf%202007.pdf
>
> Where does it say 'you can not put the drier in the discharge
> line' ?
>
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

LOL - Where does it say you can? It [the technical bulletin] says you "can"
put a LIQUID LINE FILTER DRIER in the LIQUID LINE. It says you "can" put a
SUCTION LINE FILTER DRIER in the SUCTION line.

The drier's are technically designed to remove moisture, was and
particulate. [Some are designed to remove and suspend acids]. Nothing more
nothing less [except for those driers that are specifically designed to
remove oil.] In the hot gas discharge line, it can not remove and hold
moisture [too hot]. It's going to produce a high discharge pressure
differential which will raise the compression ratio [even you discussion
board you linked says so]. And likely will create problems with discharge
oil [since the compression ratio would become high - oil will solidify and
no longer lubricate.] There is no means also for testing the "fullness" of
the desiccant when replacement time comes near. You know you're wrong, just
admit it and move on.


--
Zyp



Posted by Zyp on March 2, 2008, 9:16 pm
Marc O'Brien wrote:
>> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> And Paul, why make it personal? I'm always open to change, education
>> and discussion. Otherwise I'd tell you to go out to your front or
>> back yard, choose a tree and go piss up it. Seeing how you have a
>> forest full of them!
>
> Paul's right and you're right. You two are talking at cross purposes.
>
> I was thinking of emailing Andy for his opinion but then Andy knows
> how Paul and I quarrel so he might not wish to get involved.
>
> Essentially, you can put certain types of filter driers into the
> discharge line but for the vast majority of systems it is not
> recommended.
>
> You start off by saying its not recommended. Not that it is forbidden,
> only that it is not recommended. Paul is wrong to disagree here
> because your statement is true. But you fall for the argument Paul
> implicitly implants, that they are recommended for discharge lines
> too. You then implicitly depart from your stance of not recommended to
> a stance of forbidden. By doing so you give Paul confirmation that his
> intuitive interpretation, that you in fact meant forbidden when you
> said not recommended, was correct.
>
> Your orignal argument was correct and Paul's latter arguments are more
> correct than his first :-)

Marc;

You, as before, are laser accurate. Myself on the other hand, like the
flood light approach.


--
Zyp



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