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Re: Bi-Flow Clean-up Filter Driers in Inverter Splits Old & Grumpy 03-01-2008
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Posted by Old & Grumpy on March 3, 2008, 9:01 am
PJ you can do or believe anything you want
but if you want efficiency out of drier it must be use
as directed by OEM, and let me add to that that drier
efficiency will increase if it is located in temperature
that is lower then condensing temperatures
Tony


>
>>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was rather
>>> short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the filter had
>>> swollowed a pizza pie.
>>>
>>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher A. Young
>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>> www.lds.org
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>>
>>Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a suction
>>line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a high in carbon
>>filter
>>drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>>
>>For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is highly NOT
>>recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas discharge line.
>>Only
>>in the liquid or suction lines.
>
> Not true. In fact, many units come stock with exactly that.
> And no, I don't mean the mufflers.
>
> Sporlan and Alco both approve them for discharge use.
>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Posted by on March 3, 2008, 10:03 am
wrote:

>PJ you can do or believe anything you want
>but if you want efficiency out of drier it must be use
>as directed by OEM, and let me add to that that drier
>efficiency will increase if it is located in temperature
>that is lower then condensing temperatures

        I never said otherwise.

        What I said was, A ) There are at least 2 major
manufacturers, York, and Rhem, which put it in the dishcarge line on
at least some of their products, and have been doing so for a long
itme, and B ) The senior design engineer from Sporlan says it can be
done. He does not say it's RECOMMENDED. When I replced my
compressor, I cut the old drier out of the discharge line and put my
new one in the LIQUID line, IOW I did nto say 'I suggest putting it in
the discharge', or 'I think it's a good idea', I said 'it CAN be done,
and IS done by major manufacturers, and the drier manufacturer does
not disallow it'.

        Now, go floculate yourself.

>Tony
>
>
>>
>>>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was rather
>>>> short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the filter had
>>>> swollowed a pizza pie.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>>>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>> www.lds.org
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>>>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>>>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>>>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>>>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>>>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>>>
>>>Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a suction
>>>line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a high in carbon
>>>filter
>>>drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>>>
>>>For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is highly NOT
>>>recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas discharge line.
>>>Only
>>>in the liquid or suction lines.
>>
>> Not true. In fact, many units come stock with exactly that.
>> And no, I don't mean the mufflers.
>>
>> Sporlan and Alco both approve them for discharge use.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>>
>> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
>> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
>

--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Posted by Zyp on March 3, 2008, 11:56 am
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> PJ you can do or believe anything you want
>> but if you want efficiency out of drier it must be use
>> as directed by OEM, and let me add to that that drier
>> efficiency will increase if it is located in temperature
>> that is lower then condensing temperatures
>
> I never said otherwise.
>
> What I said was, A ) There are at least 2 major
> manufacturers, York, and Rhem, which put it in the dishcarge line on
> at least some of their products, and have been doing so for a long
> itme, and B ) The senior design engineer from Sporlan says it can be
> done. He does not say it's RECOMMENDED. When I replced my
> compressor, I cut the old drier out of the discharge line and put my
> new one in the LIQUID line, IOW I did nto say 'I suggest putting it in
> the discharge', or 'I think it's a good idea', I said 'it CAN be done,
> and IS done by major manufacturers, and the drier manufacturer does
> not disallow it'.
>
> Now, go floculate yourself.
>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was
>>>>> rather short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the
>>>>> filter had swollowed a pizza pie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>>>>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>>> www.lds.org
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>>>>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>>>>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>>>>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>>>>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>>>>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>>>>
>>>> Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a
>>>> suction line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a
>>>> high in carbon filter
>>>> drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>>>>
>>>> For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is
>>>> highly NOT recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas
>>>> discharge line. Only
>>>> in the liquid or suction lines.
>>>
>>> Not true. In fact, many units come stock with exactly that.
>>> And no, I don't mean the mufflers.
>>>
>>> Sporlan and Alco both approve them for discharge use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>>> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>>>
>>> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>>> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>>> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
>>> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>>> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
>>
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Strangely enough, the placement of a desiccant in the hot gas line would
prevent any high discharge [solidify oil] from reaching the four way valve
and f**ing that up. So speaking from that stand point, it would not be a
bad thing. But speaking from the stand point of "knowing when" to replace a
clogged filter - it's not a good place. Nor is it there for moisture
removal and suspension.

But if York is happy, good for them. They're not paying the bill if
something goes wrong.


--
Zyp



Posted by Old & Grumpy on March 3, 2008, 8:47 am

> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> One time, the parts house suggested a vapor line filter. it was rather
>> short, and a very wide cross section. Looked like the filter had
>> swollowed a pizza pie.
>>
>> Unlike the liquid line filters which look like a snake which has
>> swollowed a wooden barrel.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>>
>>
>> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
>> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
>> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
>> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
>> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
>> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>
> Generally, after a compressor replacement, it is recommend that a suction
> line filter drier be installed. If it's a burn out, a high in carbon
> filter drier is used to help remove acidic particulate.
>
> For the Old & Grumpy, the suction line contains vapor. It is highly NOT
> recommended to put any desiccant drier in the hot gas discharge line.
> Only in the liquid or suction lines.
>


I never said to use liquid line filter in suction
I said that filters are made for suction and for oil!



> Because of limited use of "flushing agents", most Manufacturer's don't
> recommend putting anything in a refrigeration system other than
> refrigerant and refrigeration oil. After 1990, the use of R-11 as a
> flushing agent was banned, [although a good remedy for cleaning and
> flushing burnt material from a burn out.]
>
> Because of the metering devices, four way valves, and check valve [in some
> systems] desiccant driers are high recommended. Sometimes some
> Manufacture's recommend new four way valves as well for burn outs.
>
> Good Luck Mr. O.P.
>
> --
> Zyp
>



Posted by Zyp on March 2, 2008, 5:30 pm
Old & Grumpy wrote:
> Have no idea what you talking about but if you check with
> drier OEMs you find out that filters are made for liquid filtering
> and not for gas, in gas line are ineficient and that is why are
> never install in gas lines, however you can install them any
> place you wish, filters are also made for suction lines oil return
> lines but not for gas lines in refrigeration systems.
>
>
>> What is the problem with placing bi-flow filter driers into the gas
>> line of a inverter driven mini split system after or with a
>> compressor replacement?

Hmmmm.......

--
Zyp



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