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Posted by on September 3, 2008, 9:19 am
> > Who said I needed money? I just know how to run a profittable business
> > that
> > I don't have to subsidize with other funds. There is a difference that =
you
> > can't seem to gasp. BTW, might this be my day off, not my shift yet or
> > forbid me to live in a different time zone than you do... Hummm.... so
> > many
> > things that you have overlooked.
> YOu did when you chose or defended a price that is excessive. =A0There's
> nothing profitable about making people DIY instead of calling because
> the price is too high. =A0I am PROOF of that.
> ------------------------
> The only thing that your proof of is a pissed off home owner that got
> charged a reasonable price to have a tech come out, diagnose, and make
> repairs to your comfort system with a part that he had in his truck
> inventory. I am pretty sure that the tech was probably using "flat =A0rat=
e"
> pricing so how long it took is a moot point. With flat rate pricing, it
> doesn't matter if it takes 3 minutes, 3 hours, or 3 days, the price stays
> the same. Same anywhere else... the price you see is the price you pay. W=
e
> are not used car salesmen, and our prices are not subject to
> negotiation...same as any other retail establishment.
> The real question, is that if you had a clue, then why didn't you diagnos=
e
> and repair the system yourself the first time?? After all, it would have
> only cost you $17 for the part...
Ah, but ultimately I DID diagnose and repair it myself, ignoring the
supposed pros here who suggested a fan replacement too. Would you
have been able to tell the cap was bad or would you have had to wait
too if you didn't have a spare on your truck? I think you might've
had to wait till after the holiday then, just as I did.
Remember that I posted this topic on Labor Day, when suppliers were
closed so there was nothing I could do to get parts until the next
day, unless I'd wanted to pay even more to find the odd company that
will do it at a moment's notice on Labor Day. The next day by 10 AM
I'd already fixed it, vacuuming out the debris in the condenser cavity
took longer than putting a capacitor in.
I don't accept fixed rate pricing. If someone charges a flat rate for
any service call that's fine but there's no way a generic flat rate
service call is worth $200 to me which is essentially what the charge
would've had to be since rounding off the bill I'd paid for a cap
replacement was closer to $250 than $200. I dug out the bill and it
was $237.
The overall economic system is bad, but the truth is that having truck
expenses including insurance, gas, driving time, is less expensive
than the overhead from a mechanic's garage or doctor's office where
the staff themselves are paid enough to also have a vehicle, home,
insurance, gas, food, and everything else... all for less cost. Flat
rate doesn't work in cases where a repair takes 5 minutes. Disagree
if you like but HERE I AM, someone who chose not to pay that premium
so some fellow HVAC tech lost out on making any money at all as a
result.
I've never suggested the whole world should feel this way but the
world IS changing. The internet is making any average Joe Homeowner
capable of accessing information to DIY. Maybe this usenet thread is
a wake up call about that. Sad but true, many professionals who
depend on what they know more than the actual labor value will find it
harder to charge flat rate premiums for the simplier tasks. For
example, Mexicans mow our neighbor's yard and replaced our roof after
a hail storm that insurance covered. They work disturbingly cheap and
since neither of these tasks require more knowledge than could be
learned in a few weeks, it makes the value of actual labor terribly
low these days.
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Posted by KJPRO on September 3, 2008, 12:13 pm
> > Who said I needed money? I just know how to run a profittable business
> > that
> > I don't have to subsidize with other funds. There is a difference that
> > you
> > can't seem to gasp. BTW, might this be my day off, not my shift yet or
> > forbid me to live in a different time zone than you do... Hummm.... so
> > many
> > things that you have overlooked.
> YOu did when you chose or defended a price that is excessive. There's
> nothing profitable about making people DIY instead of calling because
> the price is too high. I am PROOF of that.
> ------------------------
> The only thing that your proof of is a pissed off home owner that got
> charged a reasonable price to have a tech come out, diagnose, and make
> repairs to your comfort system with a part that he had in his truck
> inventory. I am pretty sure that the tech was probably using "flat rate"
> pricing so how long it took is a moot point. With flat rate pricing, it
> doesn't matter if it takes 3 minutes, 3 hours, or 3 days, the price stays
> the same. Same anywhere else... the price you see is the price you pay. We
> are not used car salesmen, and our prices are not subject to
> negotiation...same as any other retail establishment.
> The real question, is that if you had a clue, then why didn't you diagnose
> and repair the system yourself the first time?? After all, it would have
> only cost you $17 for the part...
Ah, but ultimately I DID diagnose and repair it myself, ignoring the
supposed pros here who suggested a fan replacement too. Would you
have been able to tell the cap was bad or would you have had to wait
too if you didn't have a spare on your truck? I think you might've
had to wait till after the holiday then, just as I did.
________
Did *I* recomend a motor change? NO
I also *STOCK* common parts in my trucks. That include little things like
multiple CAPACITORS!!!!!!
The rest of your crap was snipped as it added no additional value. Just
extra waste.
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Posted by Noon-Air on September 3, 2008, 1:21 pm
> > Who said I needed money? I just know how to run a profittable business
> > that
> > I don't have to subsidize with other funds. There is a difference that
> > you
> > can't seem to gasp. BTW, might this be my day off, not my shift yet or
> > forbid me to live in a different time zone than you do... Hummm.... so
> > many
> > things that you have overlooked.
> YOu did when you chose or defended a price that is excessive. There's
> nothing profitable about making people DIY instead of calling because
> the price is too high. I am PROOF of that.
> ------------------------
> The only thing that your proof of is a pissed off home owner that got
> charged a reasonable price to have a tech come out, diagnose, and make
> repairs to your comfort system with a part that he had in his truck
> inventory. I am pretty sure that the tech was probably using "flat rate"
> pricing so how long it took is a moot point. With flat rate pricing, it
> doesn't matter if it takes 3 minutes, 3 hours, or 3 days, the price stays
> the same. Same anywhere else... the price you see is the price you pay. We
> are not used car salesmen, and our prices are not subject to
> negotiation...same as any other retail establishment.
> The real question, is that if you had a clue, then why didn't you diagnose
> and repair the system yourself the first time?? After all, it would have
> only cost you $17 for the part...
Ah, but ultimately I DID diagnose and repair it myself, ignoring the
supposed pros here who suggested a fan replacement too. Would you
have been able to tell the cap was bad or would you have had to wait
too if you didn't have a spare on your truck? I think you might've
had to wait till after the holiday then, just as I did.
Remember that I posted this topic on Labor Day, when suppliers were
closed so there was nothing I could do to get parts until the next
day, unless I'd wanted to pay even more to find the odd company that
will do it at a moment's notice on Labor Day. The next day by 10 AM
I'd already fixed it, vacuuming out the debris in the condenser cavity
took longer than putting a capacitor in.
I don't accept fixed rate pricing. If someone charges a flat rate for
any service call that's fine but there's no way a generic flat rate
service call is worth $200 to me which is essentially what the charge
would've had to be since rounding off the bill I'd paid for a cap
replacement was closer to $250 than $200. I dug out the bill and it
was $237.
The overall economic system is bad, but the truth is that having truck
expenses including insurance, gas, driving time, is less expensive
than the overhead from a mechanic's garage or doctor's office where
the staff themselves are paid enough to also have a vehicle, home,
insurance, gas, food, and everything else... all for less cost. Flat
rate doesn't work in cases where a repair takes 5 minutes. Disagree
if you like but HERE I AM, someone who chose not to pay that premium
so some fellow HVAC tech lost out on making any money at all as a
result.
I've never suggested the whole world should feel this way but the
world IS changing. The internet is making any average Joe Homeowner
capable of accessing information to DIY. Maybe this usenet thread is
a wake up call about that. Sad but true, many professionals who
depend on what they know more than the actual labor value will find it
harder to charge flat rate premiums for the simplier tasks. For
example, Mexicans mow our neighbor's yard and replaced our roof after
a hail storm that insurance covered. They work disturbingly cheap and
since neither of these tasks require more knowledge than could be
learned in a few weeks, it makes the value of actual labor terribly
low these days.
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Enough of this crap...
*PLONK*
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on September 3, 2008, 3:46 pm
I'm sure he is going to cry for a week. When he realizes that one computer
in one house in one town, in one state, in one nation...... won't be
displaying his messages.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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Enough of this crap...
*PLONK*
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Posted by Joseph on September 3, 2008, 4:33 pm
> I'm sure he is going to cry for a week. When he realizes that one
> computer
> in one house in one town, in one state, in one nation...... won't
> be
> displaying his messages.
Go Fuck Yourself!!! You are as dumb as those rocks you keep
getting in the mail. Use one before you get the idea of
reproducing.
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
> -----------
> Enough of this crap...
> *PLONK*
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